Voodoo

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  1. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    That's just gross
     
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  2. Pinz412

    Pinz412 Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2019 Pennsylvania
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    I saw a picture of that same menu floating around in a Voodoo trading group yesterday, and the only bottle that was no longer available was the $250 BT Black Magick.
     
  3. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I think you make a good point. While I find the prices on the menu pretty shocking, I guess if the brewery is able to get that price, and the prices are in line with the market (secondary pricing), then why not?

    The only thing I would say, is that from a PR standpoint, this is not a good look. This is the sort of thing that pisses a lot of customers off, and tends get them to start looking elsewhere for a "favorite brewery." In the short term Voodoo can make some extra money off the sale of these beers, but I would argue that in the long term, they may be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

    And I'm in agreement with @rypkr regarding the thickness/viscosity of BM stouts. I haven't had the opportunity to try one in close to 10 years now (at a bottle share in Philly), but I still recall it being one of the thickest, most dense stouts I've ever tasted.
     
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  4. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for considering, even if the disgust here doesn’t quite make sense to me still. And yes, I agree that this activity can result in a bad look (whether that’s based in logical complaints or not).

    That being said, I very much doubt any Meadville diehards are going to be put off by this. If anything, they were probably more excited to try b1 Buffalo Trace BM from Voodoo rather than from a questionable secondary source.
     
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  5. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    ISO bm for $249

    Lol
     
  6. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Maven (1,268) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    Honest question - would you really PAY $250 for it? Not secondary value, but “straight cash homie”?
     
  7. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Hell no!

    My post was mocking that on premise price
     
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  8. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Pundit (912) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    OK guys. How much should it be?!
     
  9. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Exactly the price of the ingredients and labor plus a profit margin that I deem to be reasonable. If the profit margin is more than my strict amount it is bad. It is especially bad if this price approaches what people are demonstrably willing to pay for this product outside of the primary sale.
     
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  10. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Pundit (912) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    And originally these do roll out with a good price (well, I assume the OG price point is what most deem acceptable but I don't know that...they sure get bought up quickly). If this is something people deem too high a price, it's pretty easy to shrug, and move on. I understand it is a bit, shall we say hypocritical, per their own stance on the "secondary market". But again, the original prices on these hasn't terribly inflated a la Toppling Goliath's methods. This happens to be a vintage bottle, not many remain, so it becomes a bit of a luxury I guess, and the price matches the luxury.
     
  11. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    (I thought it was super clear and maybe it was but in case not) I was being sarcastic, this is totally fine in my book and I don’t really get the opposition towards it.
     
  12. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Pundit (912) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    haha it was...I switched some wording to clear that up a little bit
    But yea, I get beer secondary market is divisive and can be off putting. But this beer probably goes for more than $250 and so yea, it's more of a novelty purchase for a fucboi ticker or group willing to splurge to get the chance to try. This bottle can't be sold for $25.
     
  13. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    To me it's not that it "should" be some price, it's just gross to me to see consumers falling into this weird hype hole where you are willing to pay 20$ per ounce for a beer.
    Does it contain some special or rare ingredient? Is there something that makes.this beer unique and exceptional above and beyond any other of.the.myriad stouts that can be obtained for 10% or less of that cost?
    And its gross to me to see a business so happy to indulge this human instinct (although its not surprising, obviously they have a strong incentive to maximize their profit). My interest in ever trying this brewery has fallen to zero. But good luck to them, hopefully their gravy train lasts long enough and they invest.the winnings wisely
     
  14. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    And why does the list have so few bottles on it. Nothing from 2019, at all? Smells of holding back bottles so they can sell them at a mark up later. And sorry to say, despite the wishes of many, barrel aged stouts rarely get better with age in the bottle.
     
  15. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Pooh-Bah (2,368) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Tell that to 2014 and older bcbs or jw Lee's harvest ale.
     
  16. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I definitely let out barleywine for a reason but even that has its weaknesses. Lambic and similar style beer, and a few bottle conditioned styles, are really the only one impervious to time that sometimes even benefits from time.

    Either way, that's a very small list of beer, and I wouldn't say they are better now. In fact just had the opportunity to have multiple vintages of JW Lees, it's fine. Nothing outstanding. Tons of leather.

    I wouldn't even say 2014 and older BCBS are better now than they have been either. May have been a time that they were better than current runnings, but right now I'd take a regular 2019 BCBS over a 2013. It was pretty solid this past year.

    Unless it's that uncarbonated, oxidized Baladin stuff, it's not built for time.
     
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  17. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Pundit (912) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    This would be more of the issue to me. Intentionally holding beers back so down the road they can charge these prices in a very intentional manner. Maybe that's whats going on here and that would be more disappointing than my initial thoughts of "hey we found/came across a few of these, they're a bit of a luxury so you WILL have to pay a premium".
     
  18. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    I don’t see the problem here. It gives people more of a reason to make the trek to the brewery. No one has to pay those prices.

    I’ve never been to Voodoo, Side Project, etc but would be excited to buy bottles that are very hard to get at a mark up while there. I wouldn’t drop $250 on a bottle but kudos to those that would.
     
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  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This would be even more disturbing. They're somehow just misplacing their beer around their facility? Then "coming across" them later when they're like cleaning up after a party or something?
     
  20. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Pundit (912) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    I assumed they found them stashed in the back of a toilets in some of their facilities. Probably pretty good temperature for storage to be honest. Misplacing?! Opportunistic treasure finding.
     
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