I've given up on having clear beer...

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  1. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Sigh....

    I have been brewing for a few years now and I love it. I have the process down. Now I am aiming for clarity and such.

    I just can't achieve it. I have a temperature chamber that can maintain temperature to a degree up or down from what I set it at.

    I have tried cold crashing for a week in combination with gelatin. I even have a siphonless fermenter. No change. My beers come out just as cloudy as anything else. In the process of my first lager. No matter what I try, the ales are still hazy to where you can't even see the other side of the glass. It's getting to be an annoyance. If this pilsner I'm doing comes out hazy I'm through with it for a while.

    WHAT IN THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG?!?!
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I just gotta ask: how cloudy are your beers? If your beers are less than absolutely crystal clear, do you consider this as being a fail?

    For my ales the only clarifier I typically use is rehydrated Irish Moss flakes added for the last 15 minutes of the boil. Those beers do not turn out absolutely crystal clear but they are by no means cloudy either. I am very happy with these ales! They are very tasty and I have zero desire for absolutely crystal clear beers.

    My lagers (I typically brew four batches per year) turn out a bit clearer but again they are not absolutely crystal clear despite the 5-6 weeks of lagering.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Gelatin has worked well for me, though the results are grist and yeast strain-dependent.

    Are you adding it after cold crashing?
     
  4. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    This guy seems to like using this filter and his beer looks pretty dang clear! Seen them on amazon for $50. Maybe it might work?
     
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  5. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    An example of my Vienna lager with gelatin:

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  6. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    If you are using gelatin properly you should have no problem obtaining bright beer. Some people argue that gelatin drops too much in fact.

    What is your process with the gelatin?

    I hesitate to state that your expectations are too high. Gelatin, when used correctly, practically produces Zima.

    Cheers.
     
  7. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    My process is this:

    I use a whirlfloc tablet at 15min left in the boil. I filter trub through a fine mesh cone before pitching. Once fermentation is done, I cold crash and he for 2 days. Them I add gelatin and crash for another 6 days. I usually dry hop a few days and then bottle
     
  8. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Yes. I cold crash a few days and then add the gelatin for about a week
     
  9. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Yes I am
     
  10. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    How much gelatin are you using? I'm only doing a teaspoon with a cup of water
     
  11. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    They are very cloudy. I've had a crystal clear beer when I added the gelatin at room temp for a week on accident last summer on a golden ale brewed with Nottingham. Maybe I will try that process again
     
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  12. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I’m definitely not a brew guru...just spitballing here, but don’t give up.

    Are you getting a good hot break during the boil, and cold break when chilling?

    How cold is your cold-crash?

    Chill haze?
    After packaging and conditioning, have you checked to see if there’s a difference in clarity of your beer when it’s room temp versus fridge temp?

    Could it be a water issue? I’ve just started learning about water adjustments, so it’s better if someone versed in that chimes in.

    Ponder on that batch and maybe something will come to mind that was different in your process; like adding/doing (or not adding/not doing) something out of the norm for you, was there a boil-over, did you get distracted when transferring to the fermentor (letting it rest longer than usual), extract v. all-grain, high sparge temp. Do you usually use a 'house-favorite' yeast that's a low flocculator, unlike Nottingham?


    Good luck!
     
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  13. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I have an awesome hot break. I get it boiling with a propane burner. I use a wort chiller for cold break. Water is distilled with additives to match whatever style I'm making. Nothing changes from batch to batch as far as routine goes. I'm a stickler for the process. I used wyeast 1272 this time on the batch I'm talking about. I normally use 1256 or s-05 if I forget to make my starter in advance or a scheduling issue.
     
  14. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    After posting this last night I decided to try something.. after I poured the beer I put it back in the refrigerator for about 15 minutes. After that is very noticeably clearer but not quite what I was trying to achieve. I have heard that cold crashing before a dry hop can leave your beers a tad hazy with the oils. I would like to cold crash and do gelatin after the dry hop, but I have heard that that takes away the aroma.
     
  15. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    Generally if you dry hop, you aren't going to get a crystal clear beer in the short term. After about 3 months in the keg I find my non-hazy ipas drop bright.

    Are you talking specifically about DH beers?
     
  16. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I am mostly. But I've done a few beers that weren't dry hopped. Same result. I do not keg.
     
  17. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    There's no way I even have any left after 3 months...
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Yeah, 3 months, hahahahaha! That ship sailed unless it's a imperial.

    I bottle condition everything, and while personally I don't care it the beer is Brite or not, I have noticed adjusting my grain mill to produce less flour and more cracked barley kernels did help , as well as dry hopping with no more than 2oz of pellets, 4 with my home grown whole hops.

    More than that and it's cloudy.

    I use no fining methods, butter on occasion make a very Brite beer.
    Go figure
     
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  19. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I don't ever DH more than 2oz either unless it's a NEIPA where haze is a standard element
     
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  20. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Half a packet with ~0.5 to 1 cup of water.
     
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