Infected Quadruple Big Bad Baptist

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  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    A properly brewed and barrel-aged stout will keep up fine for years. I have had PLENTY of them at 1-5 years old and not a single one of them has been noticeably infected. Slightly oxidized, maybe, but that's another story. In Europe, these stouts usually have best-by dates of 2-5 years. We're not talking about IPAs, or fresh produce :rolling_eyes:, here.

    There's a reason that these stouts are commonly cellared and traded for years after their release and that infections are exceptions and not the norm. If a stout like this shows noticeable signs of infection after a mere 6 months, the brewery fucked up big time.
     
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  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Nope. Beer is released by breweries to be consumed. If you choose not to consume it that's fine. But dont bitch about it. Cellaring is ALWAYS a risk, you even acknowledge that yourself regarding oxidation. If a brewery had their shit together DO would be so minimal the beer shouldn't oxidize right? Pft. Beer is literally produced by creating an environment that allows for bacterial and fungal growth.
     
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  3. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Always good to have a cellar denier around!

    Just to be clear all, if you have any bottles or cans in your fridges, you're doing it wrong. Beer is a living organism that must be consumed immediately upon reaching your home. If you put it in the fridge for four days & it tastes like warm garbage, that's on you. Certainly not the brewery for having crappy QA standards that have been discussed & documented for years. /s
     
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  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    So silly. If it can happen to Budweiser who arguably has better quality control than anyone out there it can happen to anyone. You can bitch and moan about it all you want, however the science behind spoilage is on my side fellas. Get over it.
     
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  5. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    So where exactly in this 'science' is the cut-off? Four days? Fifteen days? Two months? Six months? Fifteen years? Please let us know how long we can keep beer based on your 'scientific' research.

    And yes, pointing out that Epic has had shitty QA standards forever sure is 'silly'.
     
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  6. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Does Epic market these beers as intended to be aged? Otherwise, as long as the beer comes out as intended not sure I see the issue.

    Personally, not sure I can think of (off the top of my head) any additive/adjunct heavy beer that does not get worse with age. Not sure I have ever waited over a year to try an additive/adjunct heavy beer to see how far they might deteriorate, but I am not surprised to learn they could get really bad. And I am sure there is a wide range of drop off depending on a number of variables with these beers, some of which is the brewery.

    But if Epic is not marketing these beers as designed to be aged and cellared, I agree with @SFACRKnight, that you made a gamble and it did not pay off. Not sure its a fair expectation that every barrel aged beer is intended to be cellared, especially adjunct/additive heavy ones.

    Admittedly, I have not drank Big Bad Baptist in years, since moving out of their distribution zone, so I have no idea how Epic is marketing these beers. If they post on their bottles that its intended to be aged, putting a Best By date that these quality issues are presenting within in.....than, yes, everyone definitely has a right to complain and Epic needs to be called out for their poor response.
     
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I suspect two years is pretty excessive. Do you drink two year old ipa? Epic does not suggest aging their beers. Show me on the label where they do and I will shut up. Until then quit complaining that you made a poor decision and get over it.
     
  8. Scottsbeer

    Scottsbeer Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2017 Florida
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    Bottling a beer that has an infecting bacteria in it and accepting that as OK is shitty QC and shitty business. I know infections happen but most brewers do everything they can to make it right and try to avoid it in the future. In fact most breweries send their barrel aged beer for lab tests to make sure there is no infection before they release packaged beers. Epic has just released more of the 2018 QBBBB in the last 4 months and they have had known issues with QC. To each their own but I am done with Epic!
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Look at inbev. They had an I faction involving a contaminant that has never been known as a spoiling agent. Look at left hand who had an infection from the yeast purchased from white labs. I suspect that no QC program goes so far to check genetic materials which is what white labs had to do to learn their yeast was contaminated after with a strain of sacc serv that was diastaticus.
     
  10. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Asked & not answered. Again.
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Goes both ways.
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    So this thread got me wondering about the 2018 quadruple I have. Popped it open earlier tonight and am happy to report it was all coconut and chocolate. No hint of tart cherries, no off flavors. It wasn't thin, over carbonated or ropey. Sorry about everyone's bad luck but I guess that's the breaks...
     
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  13. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Just opened my 2017 Triple (batch #3) after reading this thread. It is infected ,and over carbonated. Two sips and down the drain.
     
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  14. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Just had the Release #6 Peanut Butter Cup and it was fine, no signs of infection. Rather enjoyable all in all actually, despite the peanut butter being rather subtle here and a somewhat thin mouthfeel.

    That doesn't mean that I'm just going to ignore the rather numerous reports of infection with the 2019 BBB variants just because I got lucky though, but at least I feel more confident about that Release #5 Quintuple BBB which I recently moved to my fridge and will be consuming next Sunday.
     
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  15. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    @SFACRKnight .. this dude has been crying for 6 months. He won’t listen to you now, just like he couldn’t comprehend this last year lol
     
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  16. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Just had the Release #5 Quintuple Barrel, which was just fantastic. Again, that doesn't mean that the fact that Release #3 is horribly infected according to untappd should simply be ignored. I actually wish that I could have saved this for a more special occasion without having to worry about infection, like with most stouts from breweries that practice proper QA standards.
     
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