Yet Another Purplish NEIPA

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  1. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Second batch that has been ruined.

    First one I have no excuses for, couldn't have possibly exposed it to more O2 transferring from the conical (yeast/hop matter clogged cone).

    Since then purchased a CO2 pressure transfer brewed same beer (80% MO, 10% wheat malt, 10% flaked oats). Aquarium pump oxygenation. Nice fermentation (temp controlled 65F, worked up to 70F for rest for last three days), dry hopped 24 hours after pitch and again on day 7 quickly under the airlock. Good activity on the airlock after second dose. Cold crashed to 40F for three days. Pressure transferred into keg and immediately carbed at 13psi. After a week on the carb, poured nice yellow/gold. Hop bite a bit harsh at a week (55 IBU, thinking polyphenols due to amount of DH). Just poured after another week and another brown mess.

    Thinking about decreasing wheat malt/flaked oats to 10-15%. Shift to single hop at 24h and then keg hop.

    Somebody please save me. Where is this picking up the cold side oxidation?

    Thankful my next two batches are a stout and saison.
     
  2. skleice

    skleice Maven (1,271) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    What was fermentation vessel?
     
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  3. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Grainfather conical with glycol chiller
     
  4. skleice

    skleice Maven (1,271) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    Hmmm. Transferred into purged keg?
     
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  5. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Keg wasnt purged
     
  6. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Ditch the fermentation dry hop. It’s not needed, it’s a waste of hops, causes more issues than it’s worth. All dry hops can be added after fermentation.

    Are you cold crashing under positive pressure? How are you purging your keg? are you purging all your transfer lines?
     
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  7. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Thank you all for the support

    Cold crash is just using the propylene glycol chiller set to 40F, not under pressure. I will purge to keg going forward. Using a CO2 pressure transfer out the top of the fermenter with a line at the bottom of the keg.
     
  8. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Is not purging the keg enough to cause oxidation at this level?
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Cold crashing while not under pressure is likely sucking O2 into the fermenter.
     
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  10. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    When you cold crash you’re sucking in O2 unless you have positive pressure from Co2.

    There are very specific methods for purging the keg you’ll need to employ. I’d suggest doing some research on that.
     
  11. Gben447

    Gben447 Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2020

    Thank you all! Much appreciated
     
  12. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    yes
     
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  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    There is your issue. I ferment in buckets but transfer into a closed purged keg and don’t really have this issue.
    Trickis to get star San water and push all of it out with your co2 and what your left with is a clean keg completely filled with co2.
     
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  14. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Very extremely debatable.
     
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  15. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Not really

    Almost none of the best breweries that produce this “style” of beer add dry hops during fermentation.

    Other Half
    The Veil
    Monkish
    HF
    Aslin
    Vitamin Sea


    Just to name a few
     
  16. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    yes, but they aren’t homebrewers. If you aren’t fermenting in a stainless steel conical at home a dry hop during fermentation can limit oxidation
     
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just going by the highest scored NEIPAs on BeerAdvocate, it would appear that best breweries producing this style (or the breweries producing the best beers of this style) would be...

    The Alchemist
    Tree House Brewing Company
    Toppling Goliath Brewing Company
    Hill Farmstead Brewery
    Trillium Brewing Company

    I don't know whether these breweries are doing biotransformation hop additions, but I'd be curious, if anyone knows.
     
  18. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    This is most likely more of a problem than the cold crashing without positive pressure. However, both things can cause problems. Here are my suggestions to minimize oxidation:

    (1) Ditch the cold crash.

    (2) Purge the keg well; the simplest way to do this is to completely fill the keg with sanitizing solution and then force the solution out with CO2. Then transfer into the keg through the liquid-out line so as to minimize splashing of the beer as it enters the keg, letting it vent via an opened prv in the lid of the keg.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Alchemist: No
    Tree House: Yes for some not for others
    Toppling Goliath: Doesn't taste like it to me
    Hill Farmstead: No
    Trillium: Not sure

    I would guarantee that for most of their beers none of these breweries are adding any dry hops during very active fermentation. At the very tail end of fermentation, potentially yes. I'm sure they've all experimented over the years but you listen to most brewers who have been producing this style of beer for quite some time and most of them will tell you they've tried everything and have moved to adding all dry hops after fermentation.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What are you tasting (or not tasting) in Toppling Goliath beers that makes you think they're not?
     
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