Draft beer when bars reopen

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  1. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    So I have been purchasing growlers for over a month from a local restaurant and always buy the same beer. The last two growlers I can tell the beer is starting to get flat. My question is what happens when bars reopen and try to sell old draft at premium prices? I know that a local Whole Foods drained poured all their draft when stay at home started but what about the kegs that have sat for a long period of time on tap? will people complain about off tasting beer or just be happy to be in a bar drinking again?
     
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  2. Brugesman

    Brugesman Devotee (380) Apr 22, 2020 Oregon
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    I don't think beer in tapped kegs will go flat. As long as the pressure is properly maintained. Bigger issue is cleaning the draft system lines. Any reputable place needs to do that before beer starts flowing again.
     
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  3. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I am not an expert so if it is just the lines will you pay full price for beer from a dirty line? Is it ok to bitch about it with the current environment?
     
  4. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I drank some draught beer twice this week. They tasted fine. @Old Chicago in Casper.
     
  5. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I'm sure a lot draft is still good and tastes fine. But I'm positive that a lot is flat and I am not willing to pay $10 a pint for off tasting beer. Just curious what other people are experiencing in areas where bars are open again.
     
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  6. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    $10 a pint?? Yikes.
     
  7. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Some places have discounted growlers for take out to $10. Others asking $77 for certain things. I'd like to know how many they sold.
     
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  8. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm not worried about it being flat, just the age. During our shutdown several places were pushing to-go growler sales that never did before in order to reduce their old inventory. As soon as the reopening dates were released they stopped. Reading between the lines I'll pass on on-premises draft sales for awhile.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My recommendation to you is to request a sample taste prior to ordering your draft pint.

    Cheers!
     
  10. adrock314

    adrock314 Pooh-Bah (1,963) Apr 14, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I’m my experience the beer in the line will go “flat” if not poured for a day or two. Normally this would never be a problem at any place that does any amount of normal business. We’ve been selling deeply discounted growler fills but it seems like we’ll often have to clear a line before filling if it’s something that hasn’t been poured for 24-48 hours. Probably depends a lot on how far the draw is as well. Cheap growler or not - I’d ask for a sample first given the current situation.
     
  11. JuliusPepperwood

    JuliusPepperwood Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 North Carolina

    Growlers are a little tricky. If they aren't filled correctly or consumed within a few days they can easily go flat.

    I agree the bigger concern will probably be clean beer lines during the shut down.
     
  12. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I’m a beer and wine buyer at a Whole Foods. All of our bartenders (including me) were initially extremely confused why we were directed to run ALL the kegs out. Sure, we had a handful of IPAs, but there were many other beers on tap that would’ve been perfect. We had recently had our system re-evaluated, tweaked, and all questionable seals in tubing repaired. The whole nine. All of our kegs would’ve been fine. We offered growlers to TMs at a heavily discounted flat rate, until we sold 20 of them, ran out of growlers, and were told not to buy any more cases of growlers.

    It felt like pulling pitchers for ghosts, pouring those perfectly good beers just to walk a couple feet and dump them down the sink. In hindsight, it was a proper decision. It’s good to start fresh. And hey, it’s not my money that was going down the drain!
     
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  13. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Not Blaming you or anyone else for what Corporate tells you to do but I have bought a lot of flat growlers and really not interested in spending $77 for flat beer.
     
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  14. ejimhof

    ejimhof Grand Pooh-Bah (3,689) Apr 12, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Yes I agree I'm just talking about bars selling obviously outdated beer
     
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  15. Miles_in_beer_city

    Miles_in_beer_city Pundit (982) Jun 18, 2014 North Carolina

    I would worry about this in some bars and taverns, but not in a brewery tasting room. A craft brewery will not knowingly serve a bad beer to a customer. These owners are passionate about their craft.

    This will be a NON-ISSUE in Breweries that care about their product and they will dump beer that is past its prime. They are going to pour beer through clean taplines when they reopen. In fact if they are not using them for growler/crowler fills they are probably already clean and dry.

    I listened to a podcast the other day interviewing the owner of Hillman Brewery, and she said she requiring that staff only take the shorter life stuff (IPA's, etc.) home and not the stouts, porters, etc., that age much better.

    I have had an 'off' beer on rare occasions, and I take it back and tell them I think it is off. Every time they have tasted that beer, and every time they have taken off the tap handle. It's usually just that keg, and after connecting a new keg and flushing the old beer out, it has been fine. And every time they have given me a fresh pour of my choosing.
     
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  16. Miles_in_beer_city

    Miles_in_beer_city Pundit (982) Jun 18, 2014 North Carolina

    I'm not paying $10/pint unless it is something really special, and there are some that qualify, but those are usually served in 10oz pours.

    Flagships, seasonals, and other beers produced in quantity, nor take aging, or special steps... nope.
     
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  17. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Were you guys really locked down? The only thing we couldn't do is go out to bars & eating joints to eat, If I was there doing to go food for people that would've been my take home incentive for my staff.
     
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  18. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...ts-happening-to-the-beer-left-in-pubs.637583/
     
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  19. JuliusPepperwood

    JuliusPepperwood Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2013 North Carolina

    If a bar has any knowledge of beer then time really should not effect carbonation. If they uncoupled the kegs from their draft lines then the keg's seal will maintain its carbonation for a really long time, maybe years.

    If they left the kegs coupled then they should be attached to a CO2 draft system which will maintain the carbonation level. The beer in the lines will get flat (and possibly sour) if its left in there for too long. So they should empty and clean all lines before reopening. Again no effect on CO2.

    And if for any reason any kegs are are pouring flat after they reopen they can attach CO2 to it and force carbonate it overnight at 30-35 psi. Or if they are unable to they can return it to their distributor or the brewery.

    If you are consistently getting flat growlers from a location I'd assume they don't know how to fill them properly, regardless of the shutdown.
     
  20. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Whoops meant to go beer
     
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