Much beloved breweries that have passed on!

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  1. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    Wish I could have that one again. Bought a bottle at a gas station in Vantage while on a school-sponsored trip to the Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, OR, around 1994, when all I drank was Guinness, and didn't know what the hell a Scottish Ale was supposed to taste like.
     
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  2. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    About the same time as me, then. Yeah, their beers were pretty much all somewhere between blah and crap by that point, but they were still doing a brisk business. I guess being the only brewpub in a small tourist town keeps them afloat.
     
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  3. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Yeah, that was my experience -- everything I tried there was between blah and crap, and it seemed surprisingly busy. I bought a growler of something. Don't remember what. I wished I hadn't.
     
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  4. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Nor did I. Hell, back then no one else was making a Scottish ale, and I'm not even sure how or why Bert labeled the beer as such. All of his beers, even the IPA, were like nothing I'd ever tasted before. His beers really challenged your palate and your notion of what beer was supposed to taste like. I didn't like everything he made, but they were always interesting and made you think.
     
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  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Fucking stunning. But, they're in a tourist/arts town, and, the food is probably still good.....
     
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  6. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I looked back on my reviews of the Grant beers..mostly done in 2003...17 years on here!!!
    I didnt like the Scottish Ale as a Scottish Ale ( 70 schilling etc) but found it OK as a pale ale. I really liked the Imperial Stout
     
  7. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I went to Grant's brewpub once while I was going to grad school in Ellensburg. It was near the end due to corporate mismanagement, but still glad I can say I was there.
     
  8. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    I never visited Grant's brewpub, but I did get the chance to meet Bert Grant at Lucky Baldwin's Pub in Pasadena. (On my birthday, no less!) He was gracious enough to sign a copy of his book The Ale Master for me.

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  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I went a couple of times. The last time was shortly before it closed, and I went there because it had become increasingly difficult to find his beers in distribution. Both times were something of a disappointment.

    This was a completely different era, and my reasons for going to brewpubs back then are different from the reasons I go to one now. Back in the day, Grant was seen as a craft beer pioneer, and so I felt it was almost obligatory to visit his pub out by the railroad tracks in Yakima.

    Generally, I hoped for and expected to get to try things at a brewery pub that I wouldn't find elsewhere. One offs... limited release seasonals... brewery only beers... that sort of thing. Grant's pub had none of those available the times I visited. Also, the beers I tried on draft there didn't really taste all that much different from the bottled versions I was able to find back home. Back in those days (this would have been in the late 80's and early 90's as I recall), Yakima wasn't the town it is today (not much of a beer or wine presence), so it wasn't as if you could combine a visit to Grant's with some other activities or winery/brewery visits. There were some good Mexican restaurants in town, I remember that, but otherwise... we would hit Grant's, refill the gas tank, and then head south to the Columbia Valley wine country.
     
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  10. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    I try to avoid my early reviews. They often make me sad or embarrassed, or both.
     
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  11. OffTrail

    OffTrail Crusader (421) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    From New England, Catamount and especially the inimitable Pretty Things. Haven't been out here long enough to experience the passing of many breweries.
     
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  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I was pretty surprised when Pretty Things went belly up. I only got to try a few of their beers(cutie pie, baby tree and magnifico), but everything was pretty solid I thought. Their beer seemed to be popular enough (and had good distribution), and the label artwork was pretty cool. I remember going to several beer events in the Philly area where the pub or taphouse would advertise that they were going to have a couple of kegs of Pretty Things beer on tap (which was considered a pretty big deal at the time).

    Seeing Pretty Things go under was almost as big a surprise as when Heavyweight Brewing bit the dust.
     
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  13. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    As it happens, the team behind Pretty Things is now brewing under the name Saint Mars of the Desert, in Sheffield, England:

    https://beerofsmod.co.uk/
     
  14. NWer

    NWer Pooh-Bah (2,145) Mar 10, 2009 Washington
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    I always enjoyed a Tallgrass or ten when visiting in Middle America and was very surprised when they closed.
     
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  15. OffTrail

    OffTrail Crusader (421) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    Yeah, they are ramping up slowly, up to three beers. When they opened they had one. Kind of like the Howard Johnson's in Blazing Saddles. They have the same vibe, and I'm sure the beer is good.
     
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  16. DefenCorps

    DefenCorps Grand Pooh-Bah (4,838) Jan 18, 2007 Oregon
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    Jack d'Or was the classic American saison. Not Belgian saison. Not French saison. But clearly American, with how the sweetness was integrated into the profile. I wish I drank more of that beer when I had the chance .
     
  17. OffTrail

    OffTrail Crusader (421) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    Dann Paquette didn't close Pretty Things because of finances. He was tired, and tired of the business. He publicly spoke out about the pay to play system in Boston bars, for which he received criticism from, among others, Jason Alstrom. Seems like he's happier now, which is good.

    I do miss the beer. They did a series of "Once Upon a Time" series of recreations of English beers from the past based on research and contemporary recipes that was very cool.
     
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  18. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    The only one of those I remember was a "strong mild ale," which was definitely strong and nothing like any mild I'd ever had before.
     
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  19. TheBungyo

    TheBungyo Pooh-Bah (2,037) Dec 1, 2004 Washington
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    Baron was so good in the early/mid/late 00s. I remember visiting the Georgetown location and drinking the Uberweisse. It was a revelation to me.
    Sadly, they really struggled with infection and diacetyl issues not too long after and were never the same. But in their prime they were the Chuckanut of their day, with people across the country singing their praise. Hope Jeff is doing well, great guy who deserved more success.
     
  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    And that's where Grant explained his inspiration for, and the naming of his Scottish Ale, saying that it was based on his "...favorite home-brewed beer style - and has been my favorite beer since 1945, when I first tasted Dominion White Label ale at Canadian Breweries*. The emigrant Scottish brewmasters who made Dominion White Label assured me that I was tasting the same kind of ales that were brewed in Scotland. That was my reference."
    * Which evolved into Carling-O'Keefe by the 1970s.

    He used a yeast he had isolated in 1954 which originated at a brewery in the English Midlands. Local PNW water, Yakima Valley Cascades ("the finest aromatic hops in the world") added "at a rate at least three times that of any of the major U.S. lagers" - 40 - 45 IBUs, Great Western 2-row malt as well as about 5% of the total from barley malt they roasted themselves for color (thus "and Malting" in the company name).

    He notes it had a higher alcohol content at 4.7 abv, but didn't taste as heavy nor as sweet as "indigenous Scottish ales", ending the section with:
    This name origin story was also noted by M. Jackson in his first S&S Pocket Guide to Beer [1986]:
    Note the two different abv's - Grant's and Jackson's. ? IIRC, Grant's IPA would be listed in various publications at the time with different abv's, as well.
     
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