Black Lives Matter @BeerAdvocate

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jun 1, 2020.

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  1. JLK7299

    JLK7299 Pooh-Bah (2,825) Apr 21, 2016 North Carolina
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  2. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    I know you're still working on the policy details, but are you leaning toward “a reasonable person would find this statement racist” or “someone complained that the poster is being racist”?
    I'm thinking particularly back to the Founder's/Tracy Evans lawsuit where some members were accused of racism because they supported Founder's.
     
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  3. SnugTeam6

    SnugTeam6 Devotee (399) Apr 7, 2014 Massachusetts

    Thanks @Todd. It needs to be said. To be silent is to be complicit.

    As for banning thinly veiled comments, keep at it. It's pretty easy to avoid saying shitty things (no matter how small) about marginalized people on a beer forum.

    Black lives matter.
     
  4. polloenfuego

    polloenfuego Pooh-Bah (2,346) Jan 26, 2013 Canada (NB)
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    Thank for addressing this, it is a very important issue.

    I would like to note that this issue extends beyond your borders, which I am sure you are aware. As such may I suggest that if they are not already, that the international forums be monitored as well.

    Cheers
     
  5. mac_tre

    mac_tre Aspirant (280) May 22, 2018 California
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    This is a great start.
     
  6. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Here's what I've seen far too often in DC and Philly with black and latinx people:

    Customer not familiar with craft beer comes into an establishment
    Customer: I'd like a (well known international brand)
    Bartender/server: Sorry, we don't have that.
    No follow up, customer walks out, feeling slighted

    Here's what should happen:
    Customer not familiar with craft beer comes into an establishment
    Customer: I'd like a (well known international brand)
    Bartender/server: Hmm, the closest we have is this locally brewed pilsner (or whatever), would you like to try it? (is already pouring a sample)
    Customer tries it, and whether or not they like it and order one, at least they were treated with respect.

    Little things like this bring new folks into the fold, and let's folks know that you care.
     
  7. Pasearelli

    Pasearelli Crusader (476) Mar 1, 2015 California
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    Love it!!!!! It's dope seeing this take place!!!
     
  8. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Thanks Todd. This was welcome news after a difficult weekend. As someone who formerly participated in threads related to racism, diversity, and the like, I appreciate both your statement and action.
     
  9. mhucker28

    mhucker28 Crusader (466) Apr 24, 2020 California
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    This is great to see! Thank you!
     
  10. Dandrewjohn

    Dandrewjohn Zealot (599) Apr 13, 2013 Texas

    This is a beer-centric web site; there’s no room for politics or anything else that divides people. For that matter, I’ve seen other kinds of discourteous posts as well. How about a little more golden rule?
     
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  11. mickyge

    mickyge Grand Pooh-Bah (4,232) Nov 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Thanks for posting this Todd, it's a shame that in this day and age people have to be reminded how to treat each other.
     
  12. bl00

    bl00 Savant (1,244) May 13, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Love this idea! By the same spirit trying to introduce new beers with neighbors and colleagues in a similar matter is a great way to be more inclusive. Relationships have been a huge part of this hobby for me.
     
  13. Pasearelli

    Pasearelli Crusader (476) Mar 1, 2015 California
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    Real talk! Happens in the bay too. This is a great step.
     
  14. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    This is a great move, Todd. This type of statement reinforces why I love this site. Shall we assume that sexism is also a form of hate? I have seen this quite a few times, and I don't think this should be tolerated. Inclusivity shouldn't have boundaries.
     
  15. Justonemore91

    Justonemore91 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2018 New York
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    Well said Todd cheers
     
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  17. bsp77

    bsp77 Pooh-Bah (2,185) Apr 27, 2008 Minnesota
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    Thanks Todd! I hope to have a beer with you one day. But certainly not today, with the pandemic and the riots, and I live in the Twin Cities. Ugh.
    Virtual Cheers to everyone!
     
  18. bsp77

    bsp77 Pooh-Bah (2,185) Apr 27, 2008 Minnesota
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    Also, I will never understand the "All Lives Matter" and "Blue Lives Matter" stances.

    Would you ever run into a cancer fundraiser screaming that heart disease kills people too? Of course not, that would be a dick move. It is the same thing. Fighting for one cause does not invalidate everyone else.
     
  19. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Bravo! I grew up in the Jim Crow south and the stench still lingers. I know this stuff inside out and I've been sick of it for decades. Thanks for going strongly on the record.
     
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  20. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Well done.
     
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