Double-standard in CHI

That would have been sad but simply didn't happen and it has had plenty of time to.

 

If one persons patio is open, another’s should be allowed to open as well. All patios should be open regardless of what is being served. If it’s safe to sit on one patio, it’s safe to sit on any patio. The Cheeseburger doesn’t make it any safer

 

Yes it has.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/coronavirus-cases-uptick-detected-some-us-states

And if you take issue with The Guardian:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/spik...al-day-social-gatherings-health-official-says

 

This one is good too
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...king-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

 

The number of reported cases is very dependent on testing, which has improved a lot the past few weeks. A better way to track is with COVID-19 admissions or ICU admissions. You can also track COVID deaths but those are going to be a late indicator if you're looking for spikes. There is going to be a lot of noise statistically and you need to be looking at moving averages. You might be well into the spike before being sure it's occurring. Many articles in the media are coming from people who have little idea on how to interpret these numbers.

 

I dk, this one doesn't give me a link to find out what Jenny really died from.

 

That is true. And just like the articles coming from people who have little idea how to interpret the numbers, the average citizen also has little idea of how to interpret it. That’s why I have to place some faith in our leaders who are working with health officials that do have a better idea of how to interpret it.

Of course, that doesn’t make this issue of some places being allowed to open while others aren’t allowed to open any better. We can still be conservative in making sure the virus doesn’t spread faster while also being aggressive in certain ways to allow businesses to get back running somewhat. We can cut the red tape BS of having to apply for patio permits or whatever and just let them get space that works with the new rules. Or at least expedite the permit process.

 

Just dined in for lunch, great to see many places starting to bend and break the rules out here in the West suburbs and local authorities saying they will not intervene. It may be slightly more difficult for taprooms in the city but they should give it try, especially if the only other option is to close for good.

 

Yeah eating indoors 6 feet a part and everyone wearing masks while not at their table is idiotic and completely dangerous. That's why its currently allowed in 38 other states and will be allowed here on June 26th. Shopping in big box stores however with 100's of other people is much safer .

 

What rules were being bent and broken?

 

At least one restaurant with no patio at all is open inside, and in the case of the place I had lunch at people are being sat indoors near the patio or outside, their choice.

Edit: They had the doors to the patio propped open and about 6 tables inside (well spaced) being sat with most people choosing to sit in there over the patio which was sunny and windy at the time.

 

It's currently ok to be sat outside or indoors near walls comprised of enough open windows, in my understanding of phase 3.

To your earlier points, it makes sense for us to be one of the last areas in the country to open more, we've been amongst the hardest hit areas and it is worth moving carefully. Being indoors and sitting in a small space like a restaurant is much different than being in a large store and moving. Especially if the restaurant or store is air conditioned, that's a space that is particularly conducive to spreading the virus. If we get to a point in a few weeks where we continue to see the data support opening up more, then it makes sense to cautiously move forward.

 

Do you generally wear a mask while eating the same way you do while shopping?

 

I spent 3 hours eating and drinking on a patio this past Saturday. And the most unsafe thing about it was the 3 people I was with who I haven't seen since this all went down. There's no way of knowing if they were sick. Otherwise I couldn't see a way it was dangerous.

 

The poster I was responding to was talking about eating indoors, comparing it to shopping.

 

I was just responding.

 

Indoors vs outdoors is a critical distinguishing factor. Being 6 feet apart indoors can still be dangerous. It's about airflow & ventilation. In the below restaurant diagram, A1 had COVID-19. The other red circles were future cases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/health/airflow-coronavirus-restaurants.html