To add a bit more, it’s the head brewer (Shaun Berns) who has previously been with Ram (Chaos 2017, Coconilla, Smore Luv, etc) and more recently at MoRE Brewing (all the Henna beers) before now being at Phase 3. He's known as a really good brewer of stouts (BA or not), and especially with adjuncts/additives. This is just an FYI. I don’t have either beer but thought I’d add info.
