Roguer's Blind Tripel Tasting

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  1. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    The grain bill definitely plays a role in tripels not aging well, especially since many are nearly all pilsner malt. I would think the hops fade over time too, but whenever I have a tripel that's passed its prime I can still taste hints of hop character. Styrian goldings really stick out in the cases of older tripels
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As regards "truth" it is a fact that dark malts (especially dark roasted malts) act as anti-oxidants and thereby increase beer stability. I can anecdotally relate that my homebrewed beers that are brewed with dark malts hold up much better with age than my pale beers. For example I homebrewed a Kolsch that I bottled last April and that beer right now is 4 months old and while still quite tasty is nearing its 'end of life'. In contrast a Czech Dark Lager I bottled in February is still very tasty and in past years I have saved some bottles for Christmastime drinking and they were still very good then.

    I am a 'believer' in dark malts.

    And my Quad which is 3+ years old is still very good but this is likely due to a twofer: higher alcohol content + dark malts. I am hoping to have the willpower to save some of these bottles for another two years.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. ManforallSaisons

    ManforallSaisons Pooh-Bah (1,554) Mar 20, 2008 Belgium
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    I find they evolve, usually interestingly, for a year or so. Not necessarily better but enough to be fun in a vertical.

    If you ever get to expand your Belgian pool (I know, not easy), I love de la Senne’s Jambe de Bois, De Ranke’s Guldenberg, La Trappe, Kapittel, Witcap, Tourney, Bink, Matheus, Affligem, even a Kasteel in my callow youth (well, 30s)… any of those show up in a store, grab them. (The first two may be most freshness-dependent.) [Edit: in addition to those named above, that is.]
     
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  4. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    La Trappe has not overly impressed me. Affligem's blonde is good, but that's all I've had. The only De Ranke I've had is their Saison, which I thought was excellent!



    I think it's certainly a good rule of thumb, although I can't say particularly "why."

    Examples: Kölsch isn't a beer that is supposed to age well. Pilsners rely on their hops for a good portion of the flavor profile. Tripels, as discussed, are often considered "hoppier" than their Belgian counterparts (true or not).

    But ... well, consider aging with different dark malt styles: barleywines and stouts. I find it depends on the hops, more than the malt, as to the success of the aging (does it stay palatable, or perhaps even improve).

    Narwhal, one of my favorite stouts, is very hoppy, and definitely mellows out over time. Same with Founders Imperial (although the hops don't stand out quite as much when fresh, IMO). The hops definitely impact the flavor over time, but not necessarily in a negative, but I do think it's the hops that are the driving factor in the profile change.

    Then, to go with pale beers, I think Duvel and other BSPAs age quite gracefully, as do a number of saisons. Is this a function of the malts, or just how everything plays together?

    Without knowing the chemistry behind all of these possible combinations (I admit: I do not :slight_smile: ), I think it most likely that, "Dark beers age well as opposed to light beers," is a decent rule of thumb, but that the interplay of hops, malt, and live yeast matters significantly, and what may be true of one pale (dark) beer may not be true of another pale (dark) beer.

    Anecdotally: I've had Westvleteren XII at precisely 2 and 5 years, and I found the beer to have aged marvelously. I can't compare it to a fresh bottle (I've never had it fresh), but I can say that there was no hint of oxidation or decay, even in the 5 year old bottle. Whatever the underlying chemical reason, it aged simply beautifully. :slight_smile:
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'm glad to hear this. I always thought golden monkey was a mess, but haven't tried it in close to 7 or 8 years.
     
  6. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    @JackHorzempa

    I thought it was fine - my blind review should attest to that. I also thought it was the weaker of the three, clearly, but I didn't think it was bad by an means. (I can't speak to what it was like in the past.)

    If anything, I think that attests to what Allagash has accomplished: produce a Tripel worthy of standing against more storied Belgian breweries. That's not something I think Victory achieved here (then again, their focus has always been on German, vice Belgian, heritage). It's also a good reminder to revisit Weyerbacher and Ommegang, if in search of good US-made Belgian beers.
     
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  7. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Ive been on a Golden Monkey kick lately. It has just enough phenolic quality and balanced sweetness to satisfy my craving, but yes it was definitely much more sweet and out of form way back then. But I drank it anyway cause I was young and just wanted ABV.

    Weyerbacher is hard to touch in terms of American made Belgians though. I really wish I saw more of them around my area. They are severely underrated.
     
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  8. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    As an enthusiastic consume of tripels (See username!) , I've found they age just fine if I can keep my hands off of them. I made a tripel a few years ago and, while it was fine, it tasted somewhat "green," I had the last bottle a month ago and it was awesome.

    I also would like to suggest any tripel fans to give Dragonmead's Final Absolution a try. You'll have to come to Michigan, granted, but it's in my top 3 with Karmeliet and Fin du Monde
     
  9. eagles22

    eagles22 Pundit (998) Sep 7, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Another two you should give a shot is St.bernardus tripel is rock solid!also another one by allagash is barrel & bean that's amazing
     
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  10. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Gosh I have quite a few that I rated 4 or higher. I must favour the style.

    Looks like Tripel Karmeliet is number one for me with Chimay close behind.
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That's exactly how I remember Golden Monkey going back probably 20 years ago, and I didn't drink many trippels after that. The ones that I've had were much, much better (Merry Monks was one that I remember) but I'm gun shy and I keep expecting that syrupy dud to show up again. If I see Golden Monkey anywhere again I'll give it a try.
     
  12. Brugesman

    Brugesman Devotee (380) Apr 22, 2020 Oregon
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    What a fantastic idea for a post! Loved the way you stepped us through it. Not narcissistic in the least. I tip my cap to you - well done! Might have to do a similar exercise myself sometime. Not sure I could write it up as eloquently as you though! I especially love that you did it with tripel, one of my favorite styles too.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jason, I would recommend that you give the 'new' Golden Monkey a try. I too thought that the Golden Monkey of 7-8 years ago (and older) was a mess.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would recommend it.

    And if you see some Merry Monks go for that beer!!

    Cheers!
     
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I will give a single a shot. Tripel K has always been my favorite because of its dry nature. A poorly attenuated tripel is as awful as it gets. Ranks up there with diacetyl in an ipa.
     
  16. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    That's a big pet peeve of mine and every time I judge tripels (and other big Belgians) in a homebrew or commercial competition under attenuation is perhaps the most common problem. Under attenuation is a common problem for many commercial American tripels I've picked up for leisure that matter
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    It's really easy to dry one out. No excuse for syrupy home brew.
     
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  18. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Pooh-Bah (2,153) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Jack, have you had New Trail’s Tripel? I don’t think it’s in their regular lineup, but it’s a good one.
     
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  19. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I routinely try blind side by sides. Whenever I do so, I don't judge beers based on someone's style definition, I judge them on my enjoyment level and slightly factor in what I'd want from a "style." Whenever I've done Tripels, my big surprises were consistently: A) how I liked Golden Monkey and La Fin Du Monde much more than expected, B) how I liked Tripel Karmeliet much less than expected.

    Speaking of Tripel Karmeliet, I'm going to venture a guess that unlike Goose Island (for example) most people here forget that it's an AB InBev product (but I'm not making any quality claims by pointing that out... I'm just pointing it out).

    The Belgian Tripel that I enjoy drinking the most is possibly Corsendonk.

    Do you have a source for that info? I am under the impression that although the St Bernardus Tripel came into being after the split from Westvleteren in 1992, it uses the standard St Bernardus yeast - which was the Westvleteren yeast from the 40s. This isn't what Westvleteren uses today though. Westvleteren now uses a Westmalle derived yeast.

    Westmalle Tripel is consistently mentioned as a beer that Americans are shocked to discover how hoppy it is when had on its own turf. When I was fortunate enough to drink in Belgium once, I tried the Tripel and didn't particularly notice this... but I also wasn't looking for it, AND my drinking pattern while there was absolutely focused on overindulgence rather than precision. :slight_smile: Going back to US soil - If I remember correctly, I think I've only had one Belgian "Tripel" where the age could be measured in many years. As expected, that particular beer was too damaged for me to drink.
     
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  20. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Great thread. Thanks.


    This is a very underrated beer and a brewery that has been making great beer for a long time. Thanks for reminding me of it. It has been years since I’ve had one.
     
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