New Beer Weekend #4

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  1. SawDog505

    SawDog505 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,922) Apr 9, 2010 New Hampshire
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    Welcome to the new fourth addition of this weekly thread and honestly this is my favorite weekly thread, used to only be Sunday for a Dad with 3 kids 11-8 it was a little stressful on one day a week. Now the entire weekend allows me more time to carve out some time to slowly review a few new suds.

    On this weekly thread we want our fellow beer lovers to share the experience of sipping something new. We want to hear your thought about something new in one of your favorite glasses, some reviews are amazingly detailed and some are short and sweet, but it gives the community the chance to get feed back on a beer that they may have passed on and hopefully entice us to purchase in the future. So far I personally have been disappointed with turn out, but am confident every week it will get better.

    Poured into a 13 oz Teku glass canned on 7/27/2020. Pours a very hazy orange yellow, with a thick finger sticky white head, that clings to the glass sip after glorious sip, with excellent retention. 4.5

    Smell ripe melon, peach, guava, pineapple, blueberry, apricot, and some pink grapefruit rind. 4.25

    Taste follows cantaloupe, peach, pineapple, guava, a hint of blueberry, apricot, and some grapefruit that lingers on the tongue after each bold sip. 4.25

    Mouthfeel is massive, soft gently carbonation, sticky from all the glorious fresh hops but not dry, and at 10.1% it goes down extremely easy with maybe just a hint of alcohol in the finish. 4.75

    Overall this is a very nice NETIPA that for me I would absolutely seek out in the future. Sometimes these collaborations don’t go as well as many of us would like. Too many cooks in the kitchen, but this is a fantastic brew. 4.5

    Cheers all and take sometime over the next couple days and give us a new beer and a review or as many as you want.[​IMG]
     
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  2. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    Thanks for the great kick off @SawDog505 Hope I can finally make it to NE to taste these great pours you and others poster here consistently. Allagash and Maine are the two primary brewers which make their way here. In the interim, I will keep making notes of great breweries to check out, hopefully sometime over the next few years once things return to normal.

    I bought a saison mixed four pack from one of my favorite micro brewers here, Lake Effect Brewing. They call this series the School of Brett. These are saisons aged for 8 months in red wine barrels. Three of the four pours have brettanomyces added, and the fourth which I am drinking is the base beer with no added brettanomyces.

    Lake Effect School of Brett Base Saison

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    Base saison aged for 8 months in red wine barrels, canned in July 2020, 6.2% ABV.

    Appearance: Golden slightly murky orange golden pour, bright fluffy white head lasts for a few minutes. Persistent carbonation throughout the pour. 4.0

    Aroma:
    Very nice funky aroma, sweet grape, lemon, black pepper, lemongrass. Bold and inviting. 4.25

    Taste:
    Lighter than the aroma, though flavors are consistent. Lemon, pepper grass, funky. 3.75

    Mouthfeel:
    Wafer thin, lightly dry, low key tartness and acidity, sweet. Carbonation persistent throughout the pour, very easy drinking. 4.0

    Overall:
    Nice saison offering, looking forward to trying the Brettanomyces versions over the next three weeks. 4.0

    Looking forward to a few more local pours this weekend, and reading all the numerous great beers and write-ups found in this thread.
     
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  3. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    I am a huge Japanophile. I have been in Japan several times and I love the culture, the food, the whisky and so much more about this beautiful country. Not interested at all in the anime or manga culture and also not a huge fan of their beer scene. It's not that their beers are not well made (quite the contrary) but the fact that they emphasize subtlety and balance does not sit well with my American-trained palate which seeks "bigger" and "louder" beers.

    Nonetheless, I never deny myself the chance to try new Japanese beers, even when I know that probably they are not for me. Here is one that I had not seen before and I thought I should give it a try.

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    This is a very interesting beer. I have to confess that I bought it simply for the name of the brewery. Far Yeast? Love it. The name of the beer (Tokyo White) makes you think this is a Wit but in fact it is a Saison (it says so in small print somewhere on the bottle).

    Appearance: Pretty light colored and with a mild haze (I opted to not pour the yeasty sediment). Nice head that lasted only a couple of minutes but kept producing nice lacing.

    Nose: It smells very grassy, herbal, and with a good amount of brett-y notes. It definitely invites you for a sip. It smells refreshing if you can say that without actually drinking it.

    Taste: This is really good. Sourdough, yeasty, citrusy, and with a nice and dry finish that is ever so slightly brett-y.

    Mouthfeel: One of my main complaints of Japanese beers is that they invariably have a very light mouthfeel (by design). This is not the case for this beer. It is brewed to style when it comes to the mouthfeel and it is in fact very pleasant.

    Overall: This is a great beer. I think it's one of the few Japanese beers that express the desire to be subtle while simultaneously offering flavors that are loud enough for the drinker to focus on. This is not a cheap beer but I should have bought more.
     
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  4. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, fellow beer weekenders, and great kickoff, @SawDog505 ! I'll be getting to my new beer in a moment, but first, an announcement:

    NBS BIF #12 Sign Ups are live!

    That's right! The twelfth iteration of the BIF that exists to support this very thread is now being put together. If you're one of our regular or returning NBS BIFers, or a regular participant in the NBS/NBW thread(s) and would like to join, hop on over to the sign up thread.

    If you've done our BIF before, you know the rules. If you're new, please read and understand the rules before applying to join. If you're not a previous participant, or not a regular on this thread, this BIF is probably not for you.

    Sign ups and rules are here:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/nbs-bif-12-sign-up-thread.645126/

    With that out of the way, let's get to the beer!

    I was up early this morning, as I couldn't sleep, so with some coffee in my belly, I'm ready to try out my first new beer of the weekend. I suspect my partner will be joining me shortly with a Bloody Mary. :wink:

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    That's right, I'm going with Weihenstephaner Pilsner (Pils?) to kick off my day. I've had nine different beers from Weihenstephaner, but never their Pils. Time to rectify that situation.

    (As an aside, if any of our members, perhaps @Snowcrash000 , could attest to whether or not the name of this beer in Germany is indeed "Pils," vice "Pilsner," I would appreciate it. The BA database says this beer was previously known as Pilsner, but this is a fresh bottle, and it very much says Pilsner, as you can see.)

    I have to ding the appearance because the retention is poor ... but other than that, this is a beautiful beer. I couldn't bring myself to lower the score below 4.00. The picture doesn't do it justice.

    Feel, similarly, is wonderful but imperfect. It's very lively up front, but once the carbonation has done its ephemeral dance, it comes across as quite oily and even a bit sticky. Still, this is nit-picking.

    Aroma and flavor are, simply, masterful. As the brewery implies, this is a relatively hoppy pilsner, but it comes across as a balancing bitterness, still letting the bready malt shine. Grassy, slightly earthy, with just the barest hint of a whisper of a suggestion of lemon on the nose. A touch of clean citrus peel on the finish.

    Both flavor and aroma, rated to-style, are superb. Pilsner malt can have a milky or skunky pungency to it; it's hard to explain, but I notice it even when pilsner malt is used in an IPA. This beer retains a touch of that pungency, but it's complementary, vice deleterious.

    I know they're not perfect stylistic analogues, but I much prefer this approach to a Pilsner than Pilsner Urquell (to go with another classic and standard-bearer). My scoring is going to be sky-high on this one, but I'm primarily rating to style, and this is a damn, damn good Pilsner. Moreover, it's delicious irrespective to style, for those who prefer to rate to personal enjoyment; I would gladly quaff a few of these in a row at the pub, not because of a dearth of alternatives such as IPAs, but instead of such alternatives. Not every time, mind you, but sometimes I'm in the mood for a clean lager (most often a Helles), and this absolutely fits the bill.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/252/12599/?ba=Roguer#review
    4.37 / +10.4%

    Man, pilsners are terribly underrated here ... unless they're from an American brewer. I'm not saying that a US brewer can't brew a better pilsner than a German brewery steeped in history; nothing is perfect, and you can always improve on time-tested techniques, especially if you first learn and honor those same techniques. However, I still find it a little absurd that the top rankings for German Pilsner are: HF, Suarez, HF, Suarez, Bierstadt Lagerhouse (Colorado), HF. 3 from VT, 2 from NJ, and 1 from CO, for the top six. Weihenstephaner Pils is #16 (behind, granted, some very good beers .... but still).

    Well, that turned into a mini-rant. Anyway, this beer is delicious. Appreciate it. :slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
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  5. WunderLlama

    WunderLlama Grand Pooh-Bah (4,820) Dec 27, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Dropping in-laws off at the airport allowed me to swing by Trillium Fort Point this past week. They were serving up two of the higher rated beers in the Trillium Universe: Headroom and Max Headroom. I know that these are sought after beers, especially since I gave a Headroom to my dentist. He used to be an asst brewmaster at TreeHouse and Hill Farmstead, " Oh, I've never had that one, great!"

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    Max Headroom by Trillium

    4.61/5 rDev -0.9%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

    Canned 7.30, opened 8.8

    A 16 oz can poured into a teku glass

    Two finger big bubbled rocky gosamer white foam cap , okay retention, settles to a ring over a hazy, pulpy looking pale orange liquid, no lacings. No carbonation, the haze is dense, but large bubbles at the base of the beer!

    Aroma is mango, pink grapefruit, whiff of pine and a hint of fresh clipped grass

    Taste is mango, orange citrus , hint of pink grapefruit

    Low sudsing, smooth with a gentle hop nibble that lingers on the back and sides of the tongue. The 9.1% abv is invisible. Very well crafted to mask the abv in this one.

    Great beer, happy to have purchased this one

    we like this one!

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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is your favorite beer for the Dog Days of Summer?

    We just got done with our 5th heat wave of the summer season a few days ago. And personally I hope that this will be the last heat wave but I am not holding my breath here.

    One of the beers that I enjoy drinking during the hot times of the year is Hefeweizen. To my pleasant surprise my local Retail Beer Distributor has gotten a few new (well, new for them) German beers lately and I will be discussing one of them today: Tucher Helles Hefeweizen which to my surprise is in the now popular craft beer format of four-pack of big cans (in this case a 0.5 liter can). I suppose the German brewery just did this for US export? @Snowcrash000

    There are many reasons to enjoy a Hefeweizen but the two attributes that are most alluring for me is the combination of banana & cloves flavors. Needless to say there is more to a tasty Hefeweizen but those two attributes are what I most appreciate.

    Below is how this beer is described on the Tucher – USA website:

    “Tucher Helles Hefeweizen - Recipe Number 132

    Tucher Helles Hefeweizen is a yeasty wheat beer how the Franconians like to drink it, Tucher's own "Sapienza" yeast and "Bagou" wheat malt together with bright barley malts give this Beer its aromatic yeast character.

    With the first sips you experience the lemon prickly flavor with full bodied banana and kiwi notes and a long lasting tangy finish.”

    https://www.tucher-usa.com/Tucher_Helles_Hefeweizen.html

    Hmm, no mention of clove in that description!?!

    Served in my Kapuziner Hefeweizen glass (which was gifted to me at the Philly German Bierfest):

    Appearance:

    A hazy golden yellow with a BIG billowing white head. This beer has excellent head retention.

    Aroma:

    A notable combination of clove and banana. Woo-Hoo! There is also some wheat malt aroma in the background. And yup, as per the above description even some lemon. Overall quite an intriguing aroma profile.

    Taste:

    The flavor follows the nose with clove & banana being front and center but the other aspects of wheaty malt and some citrus (lemon) there as well. There is a low bitterness.

    Mouthfeel:

    This beer is medium bodied and smooth with a moderate to high carbonation level.

    Overall:

    I enjoyed drinking this beer! It achieved on my two favorite attributes of having a combination of banana & clove flavors plus more.

    This beer is most definitely an appropriate beer to drink on a hot and humid summer day. I may have another.

    Cheers!

    @rotsaruch @RobH

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  7. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Of course there are multiple possible reasons for this, including freshness and what @The_Kriek_Freak said about American palates (we can agree the bulk of ratings are American, I hope).

    The other thing is some of those beers ahead of German brews don't have the spread of ratings from people who don't buy into the "hype" of the brewers that might drag down the ratings a bit. Although, as you state, those brewers aren't likely brewing bad beer, so I might circle back to my first last paragraph.

    For what it's worth (probably not even the two cents I just gave above), pFriem is my highest ranked Pilsner on the Top Rated Pilsner list, and Ayinger's version is tied with two Victory versions. I noted in my review of Weihenstephaner Pils that it had a mild tinny note included, even though I was having it on tap, which kept it at a four in my book.
     
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  8. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I sold Hitachino for years. The white ale was great and really all of the beers were tasty.
     
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  9. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Don't get me wrong: I've had some wonderful American-made lagers, including pilsners, including Suarez and Hill Farmstead.

    My point is not necessarily the high ratings independently, but rather the preponderance of high ratings. When American-made German pilsners easily outpace and outnumber their German counterparts in the ratings, it suggests to me that people are giving them more "credit." For example: HF is a fantastic brewery, without question, so their take on a pilsner simply must be better than others (including those from Germany). Pair that with likely being more closely tuned to an American palate, and you have a recipe for a ratings imbalance.

    I do think those ratings are imbalanced, FWIW. I think it is a variety of factors, as we both discussed, but I think the scores in this category are even more subjective than in other categories (say, IPA).
     
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  10. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Nice job on the review (and the rant).

    As to the part I quoted... celebrate the hype!
     
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  11. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    FWIW, I've had one of those Suarez pilsners, and I rated it higher than Weihenstephaner. It was a truly remarkable brew. Then again, I'm just as subject to the same bias(es) I discussed. :slight_smile:
     
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  12. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Me, too.:beers:
     
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  13. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Interesting career trajectory! :wink:


    Brightened my day! :grin:
     
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  14. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    My New Beer Weekends have tended to be somewhat thematic. I had six (seven?) IPAs two weekends ago, and today I'm going back-to-back with imported German brews. Next up: Tucher Helles Hefe Weizen.

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    On the nose, I wasn't too enthused. It doesn't smell bad at all, but there's definitely an emphasis on phenolic over estery aromas: clove, tannin, tobacco, pepper. There are hints of banana, honey, and apple, but far less prominent than I was expecting.

    Thankfully, it's much more balanced - and moderately sweeter - on the palate. I don't mean that to be taken as this is a particularly sweet or banana-y beer; it's more like the yeast expression is reversed from the nose, with banana and pear leading the way, accented by clove and tobacco, the later in particular as you close to the finish.

    The body is expertly executed to style: creamy and smooth, yet still lively, and much fuller than other styles of such modest ABV (in this case, 5.35%).

    This is a great example of a Hefe. The nose wasn't exactly what I anticipated (but still pleasant), but the rest is exactly in line with the style - and not just in line, but very, very good.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/129/371/?ba=Roguer#review
    4.05 / +3.1%

    Contrasted to pilsners, I think Hefes get much more love here, for whatever reason. A glance at the rankings is far more in line with what I would consider appropriate: of the top 10, only two American brewers appear (Live Oak and New Glarus, and #2 and #3, respectively). I also don't think anyone would argue those two beers' inclusion, either (I know them only by reputation, sadly). #1? Weihenstephaner (who also made #7).

    This is, again in my humble opinion, closer to an objective ranking (as objective as rankings can be, anyway). I'm not surprised that two American brewers made the top 10, and I wouldn't suggest they couldn't take the top spot, but the top twenty of the rankings is largely dominated by the region that introduced and perfected the style (four more American breweries clock in between 11 and 20). This just feels more correct.

    Regardless, cheers! :slight_smile:
     
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  15. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Just to agree and disagree with two points you make, both concerning Suarez Pilsners.

    First I agree that it is strange to have Pilsners made in America of the quality of Suarez that approach or equal the quality of those made in Germany. But then, Suarez is to me where all brewing seems to be going, which is a post regional world of beer styles made with excellence, brewed true to roots, and fashioned for local taste enjoyments anywhere in the world.

    I must disagree that Suarez is in NJ. It is, and hopefully always will be, a Hudson Valley, NY brewery
     
  16. Bluecrow

    Bluecrow Grand Pooh-Bah (3,501) Jul 16, 2012 New York
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    NBS was my favorite thread. I am usually coaching and then watching live matches ( soccer or lacrosse) on Saturdays, and then catching up on chores. The current situation has suspended soccer seasons so I have an opportunity to taste and present.
    Simcoe Rewind is an IPA from Grimm Artisanal Ales.
    This hazy orange can pour hosts 2 cm of foam and a faint aroma of pine. The flavor is prominently resinous. Some orange and tropical fruit notes are in the margins. The hop bitterness is moderate.
    The mouthfeel is smooth, full and the finish is somewhat dry.
    This is a “dank” (sorry) West-Coast style IPA, a tasty one!
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  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Oh shit, good catch! It was a NJ sender in the BIF who sent me my first Suarez, so I naturally associated it with NJ. Still counts as tri-state (or, one of the definitions of tri-state, at least). :slight_smile:

    I have to re-emphasize that while I don't like the predominance of American brewers on that list, Suarez's pils is extraordinary. It is unbelievably good. I certainly don't dispute their individual place on the list.

    I also find it strange that I never bothered to review HF Mary while I was living in NE, but I suspect I shall have the chance in the future. I recently decided not to retire (it's nice to have the choice), and the odds that I return to New England, given how the first 21 years have gone, seem rather high. :wink:
     
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  18. Pinz412

    Pinz412 Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2019 Pennsylvania
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    Greetings, NBW! I'm always amazed by how many of you manage to enjoy a morning brew and then go about your day. Today, however, I decided to start my imbibing on the early side myself since the weather outside was finally tolerable. It's overcast, but mid-70's is a dream compared to the 90's of the past week or two. Since I was starting earlier than usual, I decided to go with something that reminded me of morning. This may have been misguided as I settled on a Eleventh Hour's version of Black Is Beautiful to start the day. No doubt most of you probably already know about this beer, so I won't get into the history. Eleventh Hour decided to make their version an imperial stout and condition it on cocoa nibs, vanilla, and local coffee from KLVN. They also added into the mix a portion of 12-month Willet barrel aged imperial stout to make up 15% of the total yield. In addition, they barreled a portion of the beer to be released as 12 and 24 month barrel aged versions. I love the fact that not only are they raising money for good causes now, they also have future fundraisers planned with these BA variants. I'll be trying to make a few stops in this thread this weekend as long as starting my day with a 10% imperial stout doesn't ruin those plans. :beers:
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    look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

    Look - Pours a dense opaque black with a minimal tan head. Very little light penetrating the brew at all.
    Smell - Big notes of coffee, roasty malt, and chocolate.
    Taste - A beautiful imperial stout with a very roasty malt bill. The coffee and bittersweet cocoa work well together. A hint of sweetness from the vanilla, but only a touch. Other more subtle notes include some oak and char with the slightest hint of bourbon.
    Feel - Thinner than expected, but pleasant on the palate. Medium to full bodied, and the perfect amount of carbonation.
    Overall - A fantastic imperial stout that keeps it's adjuncts in check. They work well together with a drier finish than one might expect. A great beer that is a great lesson in balance of flavor.
     
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  19. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    There can also be different degrees of rating "bumps". And a brewer who is more known for their trendy styles is more likely to have their take on a Pilsner or such to receive even greater grade inflation than one such as Suarez or Notch, whose actual mission is to produce such styles in the first place. And I think that's because the ratings are primarily coming from different crowds.
     
  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    And now for something completely different. I have two more German beers (new, that is), a Dunkel and another Pilsner, but I think I will probably save them for Sunday. (@Pinz412 my Saturday plans include zero activity and, hopefully, a nap after a sleepless morning, so my beer activity this morning shouldn't be taken as a proclamation that I will in any way be going about my day later on. :grinning: )

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    Bold City is well known around Jax. Prior to this week, I'd never reviewed any of their beers. I can't honestly say for sure I'd ever even tried one. However, these special two brews showed up at my "local," and I decided they'd be worth a try.

    Both are named Mordred Deschain, and both are barrel aged imperial stouts (13.2% ABV!). One is a variant with the kitchen sink; the other is a straight up BBA imperial stout, without any added ingredients.

    I tried the simpler version on Thursday (if you can call a 13.2% BBA imperial stout "simple"), and I was absolutely blown away. It was tremendous! I had zero anticipation of anything this damn good. Review below, to establish my baseline before I get to this afternoon's beer (what? It's 12:10, so it's after noon! :stuck_out_tongue: ).

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17284/501658/?ba=Roguer#review
    4.57 / 1st review

    The variant, which is what is in my glass right now and pictured above, also spent 8.5 months in St. Augustine bourbon barrels (as best I can tell), but was then aged on coconut, cacao nibs, vanilla beans, and "a mixture of toasted granola and pecan meal." Well OK then!

    (Side note: I poured this at 11:59, and started this post around 12:06. The lateness of going live with the review is due to letting the beer slowly warm, as I grabbed it right from the fridge, not having planned this beer in advance.)

    In some ways, this beer isn't quite as good as the "regular" (non-variant). In others, it's just as delicious.

    It's huge, bold, and boozy, with plenty of bourbon flavor, a thick, delicious malt base, and wonderful highlights from the vanilla and coconut. The cacao nib, granola, and pecan are lost in the malt base, in my opinion, but that's not a bad thing - it just means I can't quite pick them out.

    There's a little bit of char, and plenty of toast and toffee. The one drawback, honestly, is that it's just so damn sweet. I mean, incredibly sweet! It's a big, boozy, slow sipper, and it's more of a dessert beer than any I've had in a really, really long time. Wow!

    Worth seeking out? Absolutely! But be prepared to administer an insulin shot, just in case.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17284/501659/?ba=Roguer#review
    4.39 / 1st review

    Cheers!
     
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