The Murtaugh Rule in Beer

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  1. polloenfuego

    polloenfuego Pooh-Bah (2,346) Jan 26, 2013 Canada (NB)
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    I think a lot of people know about the Murtaugh Rule, which is derived from the film Lethal Weapon, in which Detective Roger Murtaugh plainly stated "I'm too old for this shit."

    Not quite a rule, but essentially, shit you are done with. It's not worth bothering with.

    When I first started dipping my toe into craft beer, way back when, I used to see the curmudgeonly guys who complained about fads and hipsters and punks etc. I have joined their ranks.

    I have hit the Murtaugh line. I am past giving a shit about new trends, while in fact some of the current fads bug me.

    In particular the desire for "juicy" and "hazy" IPAs and pastry stouts boggles my mind. I'm not saying that there are not good versions of either of these. There are stellar versions of both. But every jackass and his dog is trying to shoot the moon with multiple versions of their own.

    I haven't got time for it. Especially since it is pushing other great styles away. I live in Ontario Canada. For love of all that is holy, I cannot find a decently made west coast style IPA anywhere. How about a nice English IPA? This is Canada, it's in our roots right? Nope. Bitter, Porter, Strong Ale, Amber, Brown, or straight up stout? No to all.

    See where I am going. My old cranky ass is tired of it. I don't mind the haze and pastry, but I want variety. Give me classics done well, and with some twists. I'm too old for the goddamn interwebs influencers to be guiding what's available.

    Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure when I was starting out I rode a fad or two. But, sweet Jeebus on a trike, can we move on from this one? How long have we been stuck in this phase?

    Perhaps it's just me getting older, and perhaps it's my palate, but I have to say, variety is the key to enjoying good beer. One cannot survive on haze alone.

    I don't want to have to wade through 90% haze to find some variety at the local shop. I'm too old for that shit.

    I know I'm not alone, and I know I'm not the first. Pleae tell me I'm not nuts.
     
  2. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    I invoke this rule every time I have a brew day that goes longer than 16 hours... Still the youngest employee at my brewery though, so no one is taking me seriously when I say it
     
  3. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I hear ya on this. I'm over beer that looks like mud and smells like Froot Loops. I like cake with my stout, not in my stout. Give me clean, bright, tasty beer and I'll buy it by the sixer, give me trends, and I'll buy one for the tick, maybe.
     
  4. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I have no trouble finding variety of most styles. Sure Haze dominates the taps and shelves in stores, but most brewers around me toss out a West Coast IPA periodically as well. Agree that most of the traditional English style beers overall are in a down cycle right now in both popularity and supply.
     
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  5. Mindcrime1000

    Mindcrime1000 Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 30, 2016 South Dakota
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    Dear OP--You are most-definitely not nuts.

    When I review a brew, I'm especially happy when I get to write some variation of the line "it just looks, smells, and tastes like what I would tell someone 'beer' tastes like." That's one of the best compliments I can give a simple tasty beer.

    But that's the rub. Breweries are businesses, and they need to expand their audience like any other business. At the end of the day, some people (maybe a ton of people) don't like the "beer" flavor I referenced above. For awhile, it was a hop-bomb IBU contest. Now it's how hazy, fruity, and milky can you go. As long as people keep drinking the sweet treats and leaving dusty bottles of the old guard on the shelf, this will continue.
     
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  6. Mindcrime1000

    Mindcrime1000 Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 30, 2016 South Dakota
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    I agree. Give me an English Bitter any day of the week--if I can just find one!:rolling_eyes: Fortunately, a local brewer has started brewing one on a "rotational" basis, but I'm "out of season" right now.
     
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  7. Beer-A-Lot

    Beer-A-Lot Pooh-Bah (2,031) Oct 4, 2012 Virginia
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    I love classic, straightforward styles too, but I also like to see brewers experiment as long as they're not just doing something as a gimmick. The challenge today is that with so many breweries and hybrid, crossover styles, brewers have to constantly look for something new that stands out. I think this is true even if you've mastered a particular style. It tends to be hit or miss. I just wish the one-offs that turn out good will more often remain in rotation. P.s., I just love Dieu Du Ciel.
     
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  8. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    I love most of the "new" styles and hope they stick around. The beauty is - if you don't like it you don't have to drink it.

    Now get off my lawn.
     
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  9. Insomniac

    Insomniac Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2019 Canada (ON)

    As a fellow resident of Ontario, I can certainly relate to and endorse a lot of what was discussed by the OP. Over the last decade or so, many of the U.K. beers, Germans Pils and Belgian beers that I saw regularly have been replaced by Ontario craft, which tends to focus on trends or currently popular styles. Best of luck finding a quality brewed beer outside the handful of styles and their offshoots that are currently most popular. It’s great that provincially brewed beers are getting attention, but the overall diversity of classic styles available has definitely declined IMO.
     
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  10. polloenfuego

    polloenfuego Pooh-Bah (2,346) Jan 26, 2013 Canada (NB)
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    The other issue we are facing here in Ontario, which is probably happening elsewhere is the scarcity of product.

    It's nearly impossible to get quality American craft. I used to hit NY and VT on the regular.

    As for local, they are barely able to keep up with demand thanks to the 'rona.

    I'd love nothing more than to wander into the Bevvie in Winooski right now and fill the back of my vehicle up with a variety of products. Border closed though.
     
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  11. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    Time to start trading bud. That's how I get beers that I can't get. I know you shouldn't have to and that's part of your point, I'm sure, but if there's a will, there's a way. I'm not sure how much shipping is to Ontario but hit me up and I may be able to help you with some West Coast IPAs If you don't mind sending me some of that stuff you're tired of drinking up there. Cheers bud.
     
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  12. scream

    scream Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin
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    That ain't a lawn, it's a weed field !!
     
  13. polloenfuego

    polloenfuego Pooh-Bah (2,346) Jan 26, 2013 Canada (NB)
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    Thanks for the offer, but getting beer into Canada by mail is like breaking into Fort Knox.

    Our government has such a large stick up its ass, that all parcels at the border are scanned/x-rayed. Beer is considered "unpostable" so it would not be allowed in the country. Same rules technically apply within the country too.

    If the border was open, piece of cake. Pop down the road an hour, mail and pick-up from a P.O. box in Ogdensburg NY.

    I'm just cranky, I want our locals to at least try to make a few other styles. I'm tired of seeing "check out our new release...Carbon Copy NEIPA!"
     
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  14. GreenBayBA

    GreenBayBA Grand Pooh-Bah (4,265) Aug 30, 2015 Wisconsin
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    General McAlister, time for you to drink Spotted Cow.
     
  15. drunkenmess

    drunkenmess Pooh-Bah (2,668) Mar 27, 2015 Michigan
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    Obviously a dead zone for craft and just regular beer in general...
    We have the overflow of the trendy stuff but a never ending abundance of the classic styles.
    Jus gotta know where to look. :wink:

    Like Kissimmee used to say...
    Location.
    Location.
    Location.

    :beers::beers::beers:
     
  16. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    You are among friends. You are not alone. You are not nuts.

    It seems like chatter over the past few years indicate an exhaustion with endless NEIPA / hazy / cloudy IPAs. It does seem that pilsners and lagers are making a minor comeback. Yet there is no denying that such beers still seem to drive the market. Eh, go figure...

    I'm with you. I would like to see more options for classic beer styles like you cited.

    My hope is that all things are cyclic, and that eventually there will be a turn towards more availability of straight-forward beers more focused on clarity and clean tastes and focused primarily on malts, hops, yeast and water with minimal use of barrel aging, exotic adjuncts.
     
  17. beerjerk666

    beerjerk666 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,155) Aug 22, 2010 Florida
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    Right there with ya @polloenfuego !

    I'm in for the tick with some of these "far beers", but just give me a straight up IPA and I'll be happy. Sometimes that's all I want, a palate wrecking tongue buckler of an IPA, no fruits. It seems that is outside of the norm making a true to style beer.
     
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  18. sjrider

    sjrider Pooh-Bah (2,135) Mar 4, 2016 California
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    Hey OP,you damn sure are not alone . I have a select group of aficionados and we get together usually once a month for a Thursday night beer tasting.We always bring a few favorites and at least one obscure brew.Last one included Westvleteren 12, Fullers ESB ,SNPA, and a handful of local ipa's and stout's in a more or less blind tasting to see if we could identify them. I immediately knew the first 3 and guessed correctly on about half the others.The new creations I got about half the brewers correct but not the beers.There's just too much out there to even wrap your head around. Classic styles I know and certain brewers malt,yeast ,hop profiles I can usually identify but with all the variables anymore its definitely a challenge.I say drink what you like , try everything or not - your call. I really have no use for fruity weird sour shit or sickly sweet dark roasty stuff but again to each their own.Cheers!
     
  19. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Well first, that's not really a rule. More like a catch phrase. But I digress.

    I don't think it's written anywhere that to love beer you have to blindly follow every new trend and fad. @polloenfuego, it sounds to me like you have just figured out what you like and that you don't really care to follow the herd. Good for you. I personally don't even know what a pastry stout is (maybe I've had one and didn't know it), and I doubt I've ever had a milkshake IPA. It's not really that important to me to find out what these things are. If they're around in another 5 or 10 years maybe I'll try them. There are plenty of great styles that have stood the test of time.

    It's a big tent with lots of room for all kinds of tastes. Drink what you like, live and let live. Cheers!
     
  20. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    I went to a store in Columbus today that has a great variety and tons of imports, but I still felt like I had to swim through a lake of 16oz cans of hazy ipas to get to anything. Which isn’t much of an exaggeration. In addition to the regular shelving, there were 2 folding tables full of them along with stacks on the floor just inside the door.
     
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