COVID stupidity in MA

We have?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

There’s 150 countries on that list. We have the 10th most deaths per capita on it.

With the likes of Peru, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Chile ahead of us. The US is a world power, we should do better than that. The UK, Spain, and Italy are also ahead of us, however they’re in much better shape than we are right now. Many of those deaths were from the initial surge back in late winter/early spring.

The point of the post you were replying to (at least how I read it), is the amount of deaths we’ve had in a MUCH shorter period of time.

This is what overwhelmed the hospitals. Which I’ve mentioned several times.

I get the point you’re trying to make that NY and NJ screwed up, so you “can’t” count those deaths in the total.

But that also assumes zero deaths would have occurred in two of the most densely populated areas of the country, which obviously wouldn’t be the case. Moreover, it’s manipulating data to fit the argument. If we do that with Covid, we’d have to go back and look at the details and nuances of the deaths caused by the Asian Flu.

My apologies, I didn’t mean to imply you were being heartless. I didn’t think you were at all.

I’m just saying that we can’t simply dismiss deaths because it is the elderly. As I’ve already mentioned, this contributes to a severe strain on the healthcare system because we didn’t plan on additional deaths from a pandemic.

In addition to that, old people can and do contribute to society. We’re about to elect a president that will either be pushing 80 at the end of his four year term (Trump) or that will be in his 80s (Biden).

 

Uggh, I’m like so bored waiting for these test results to come back, what should we do?! Yo! Let’s go hit some breweries bruh!

 

The USA ranks #52 The UK, Belgium, Mexico, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Canada, Ireland, Italy, China, Germany all lead the US in deaths per cases- click on deaths per case: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

 

I will go by the Johns Hopkins stats. My Brazil is handling this well.

 

If I’m understanding this stat correctly, it’s the number of deaths per confirmed cases.

Of course Germany is higher, they have been praised for their prioritizing of testing early on, and likely have conducted more tests than most countries. It’s what’s allowed them to reopen their economy and conduct proper contact tracing for months now.

Brazil on the other hand had so much Covid that the Oxford Group (one of the lead vaccine candidates) specifically chose Brazil as one of their sites for Phase III trials so people injected with the vaccine would have a better shot at being exposed to the virus.

Germany has arguably done the best job of any country regarding their response to this pandemic. Brazil made the news by getting slammed with Covid.

The fact that this stat is implying Germany has done worse with the pandemic than Brazil is telling.

Deaths, specifically deaths per capita in this case, is a much better stat. It normalizes not just for population density, but also makes it a level playing field regarding how much testing a country has.

 

I am not telling anything, those stats are for deaths per capita. And the Germans have proven themselves very good at following orders. The US is not Germany, we are almost five times the size.

 

I went to Night Shift in Everett on Saturday and felt the set-up was safe. You give your credit card to the host to run a tab when you get there (this could be better if contactless, but not a big deal). The host seats you at a patio table, which were very spaced out. You order both drinks and food via your phone using QR codes on the table. Then the servers bring your food/drinks and leave them on a barrel next to your table so they don't have to get close to you. Everyone was wearing masks, obviously. When you're ready to close the tab, you text them to bring over a tablet.

 

Sounds pretty good. I’ve been to a few restaurants that allow you to check out via the Toast app on your phone, which is pretty great.

 

Yeah, I wish everywhere would adopt that forever. Nice for contactless, but also good to not have to wait for a server to return your card.

 

My apologies again, I guess I'm just completely misunderstanding now.

The post below from you was for deaths per CASES (per 100 cases to be exact). This is what I was replying to.

Deaths per capita is completely different, and it's the number I was initially using (because it's the better number to look at in my opinion). That's the number of deaths in relation to the population size. Specifically deaths per 1 million people. In this latest post you're referencing deaths per capita (see below, I reposted it for clarity).

In which case Germany's numbers are among the lowest in the world, while Brazil's is among the highest, along with the US.

This would also negate the fact that the US is almost five times the size of the US. Because deaths per capita normalizes for that.


But if you want to look at a country with a larger population compared to the US, let's look at India, who has roughly 5 times the population of the US (1.53 billion people). They have 5.46 deaths per million people, the US has 57.97.

I used the John Hopkins site to keep things consistent.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

 

Anyone else been to the North End lately? Feel like if a single person sneezes at one end of Hanover within 10 minutes everyone on the street has been indirectly exposed. That place is crowded. Tons of people still waiting in lines for Mikes Pastry, people sipping their cocktails indoors. Also places still requiring payment in cash.

 

Also prevents dine and dash situations. Although I’m sure the Toast cut is significant and servers tend to hate anything that tracks their tip $ (at least that used to be the case).

 

This is how Notch has it set up. Order entirely on your phone, pick up your food/beer yourself.

When you're done, just get up and leave.

 

Good thing you went on Saturday, because this IS real brewery stupidity in Massachusetts

https://www.wcvb.com/article/neighb...-bar-hopping-customer-with-covid-19/33951334#

 

You mean brewery patron stupidity, right?

 

While I generally agree with your take on the US’s approach and failure to control the spread, I would caution against comparing us to a country like India. I put them in the category of unreliable reporting.

 

Fair enough, I can’t argue that as I have no data to refute or support this statement.

I know China is clearly not forthcoming, but I haven’t heard the same about India, where have you heard this? (Again, not saying it’s not true, just saying I have zero information regarding this, so I’m curious)

 

India's reporting isn't bad given what they're up against.

Main thing India has going for it is its age pyramid. They are not a very old population. So while cases are very high there, deaths are kept in check. I very much believe their death numbers, and it's not like the world COVID trackers don't see India for the hot spot that it is.

 

True.

The US has had 6.4 million cases though and India has had 4.56 million.

That would imply India is doing a much better job than us. Their population size is 5 times ours, and their population density is ~63% greater than ours.

Now, one could say that we have more testing. And we do. We've conducted ~40% more tests than India.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/

But our positivity rate is also higher at 8.16% to 7.38% for India.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison