Small(er) Batch Help Thread

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  1. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I can’t (or it’s probably better that I don’t) drink all the beer I brew. I have bottles left over from 5-gallon batches brewed back in March ’19, December ’18 and August ’18 (although that one is a big beer for aging).
    There are a lot of beers I’d like to brew and maybe even some off-the-wall stuff to explore, but 5-gallons is becoming over the top for me.

    To the folks here who make 3-gallon, 2.5-gallon and 1-gallon batches:
    I’m petitioning you to chime in with tips on what has made your end results better. What are your preferred processes, tuns, kettles, fermentables, fermentors, kegging or other packaging, etc.
    Doesn’t matter if it’s all-grain in a mash tun, BIAB, all extract, extract with steeping grains, etc.

    Thank you very much, in advance……..
     
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  2. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Truth be told, it's pretty similar to 5-gallon batches. The difference is, you should have a smaller fermentation vessel for smaller batches - sizing dependent on how big the batch, and you have less room for error with additions. An error will be twice as much results in a 2.5gallon batch as a 5 gallon.
     
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  3. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I do 10, 5 and 2.5 gallon batches. They are relatively the same exact process with just smaller amounts of ingredients. When coming up with recipes I often use % of grain bill rather than weight.
     
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  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would think brew in a bag would lend itself well to smaller batches. My mash tun says no thanks to Brian amounts below the 10 pound mark. My set up couldn't handle it.
     
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  5. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I have a 5-gallon round Igloo for a mash tun. Haven't done any BIAB but am interested in exploring it for smaller batches.

    Who is this little guy Brian.....and why would you put him in your mash tun? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Back in the day, there was a classic thread on recipe advice for a "haunted beer." The ingredient list ended up including orphans. Since Halloween is not too far off, perhaps Brian is an orphan.

    (Don't bother searching for the thread. It was before the big forum reset.)
     
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  7. butterygold

    butterygold Devotee (343) May 12, 2020 Spain

    How does Brian feel about it though? Sorry.

    I have never brewed less than 5 gallons, but I might need to with things like holiday beers - hard to drink 50 pumpkin beers between 2 and a Halloween party. I will say that the opposite is true for me in that BIAB is harder for bigger batches. The weight of the kettly with the bag full of grain is a problem for my back due to lack of setup.
     
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  8. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I do not do them as much as I should, but I do BIAB for my smaller batches. I like 2.5 gallons as I have 3 gallon carboys. I can't say much then it is similar just smaller, and I hate doing gravity readings cause I usually hit 2.5 gallons on the nose going into the carboy...
     
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  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I tend to do 3 gallon batches for bigger beers. Only real change I do is go no-sparge since they tend to be more malt focused beers. Adjust my expected efficiency lower, so I use more base malt than I normally would. This also helps my MLT retain temperatures.

    As @JrGtr said, smaller fermenters are better. I use a 5 gallon carboy for primary, and a 3 gallon for secondary.
     
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  10. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I've been brewing 0.9-2 gallons for several years. I always say, I have a drinking problem..... I don't drink enough! I have 10 cases of beer, mead, and cider in the basement all in bottles, much of it 2-4 years old, and some needs to be dumped.

    Mash in the kettle on my kitchen stove, BIAB. Mash temperature is somewhat difficult to maintain, I usually turn the burner on low every few minutes to keep it from falling to the low 140s. I find boiloff rates with very small batches to be more difficult to predict, often need to add more water after the boil because the volume got too low by a quart or whatever. So I'm still trying to nail down the boiloff rate.

    I ferment in either tall glass vases, or in 1-gallon pickle jars, or both. Yes, I am serious. This reduces surface area on top and increases pressure, thus theoretically resulting in less fruity esters and oxidation. Airlocks are improvised but "good enough". Picture below, and link to the vase place. For slightly larger batches of 2-3 gallons which I still do on occasion, I have 3-gallon carboys as well as 5's if I ever need them. However since I have more of a tendency to split batches into 2-3 fermenters, these are not used much anymore.

    Bottling day goes relatively quickly.

    https://vasemarket.com/tall-vases/tall-cylinder-vase?opening=228

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. skleice

    skleice Maven (1,271) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    Process is similar, but obviously you have the potential to use the stove top. I typically brew 4 gallons and ferment in a corny keg. That's a big plus imo. The ability to cold crash without worry of O2 ingress and sometimes I even ferment and serve in the same keg.
     
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Grain lol
     
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  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    batch size: 2.5G (9.5L)

    process: ~6# grain bill in 5G MLT
    - Double batch sparge
    - Boil 3.7G wort in 5.5G SS kettle on propane kitchen stove

    fermentables: cut a 5G grain bill in half
    hops: to taste
    fermentors: MrB LBK (3)
    fermentation chamber: 48 QT ice chest; 24 oz. frozen water bottles for temperature control
    packaging: 1L PETs
    carbonation: 2.4 vols from 0.5L speise
     
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  14. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    I do BIAB in a Robobrew (no malt pipe, no recirc). With this setup I can do anything from 2-7 gallons, depending on gravity and how much I want to make. I don't worry about headspace in my fermenters, so I ferment 3 gallons in the same SS bucket that I ferment 5 gallons in. It all gets filled with CO2, anyway. Easy peasy.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You could place your mashing vessel in your oven and set your oven to your target mash temperature. This will maintain a set temperature for the duration of your mash.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I could try it, though the lowest my oven will go is 170 F. Maybe next time the temperature falls to low to mid 140s, I'll just throw it into the oven at 170, let it warm up on its own and even sort of mash out. Cool idea, got me thinking, thanks.
     
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  17. HighlandtownBMore

    HighlandtownBMore Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2017 Maryland

    I do 2 gallon batches brew in a bag mashng in an igloo cooler.

    For easy but perfect temperature control I ferment in the Mr. Beer little brown keg and which fits PERFECTLY in this :

    https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Zone-...ocphy=9032814&hvtargid=pla-535328912065&psc=1

    Place an aquarium temperature strip on the side of the LBK and determine how many frozen 16oz water bottles to place in the cooler (i have the numbers down through trial and error for ex: 3 at 7 am and 3 at 7pm to get high 50s.

    Another benefit of the LBK is it can fit easily in the top shelf of a mini fridge for cold crashing and lagering and you also package directly from the fermenter so less oxygen exposure.

    I keg my beer in one of these:

    https://www.northernbrewer.com/prod...JXfWzWg6O9LQdHYDyZUHmMs62e0LdeIRoCIWoQAvD_BwE
     
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  18. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    MrB's LBK can ferment up to 2.45G.

    Control Hi-K with Baby Gas-X drops ($) or FermCap ($$).
     
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  19. HighlandtownBMore

    HighlandtownBMore Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2017 Maryland

    For sure, used to do 2.5 gal batches when I was bottling but now that I use the 1
    75 gal kegs I keep it at 2 gal in the fermenter and what's left after keg is filled is mostly trub etc
     
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  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Thanks to all for the feedback and input. Here’s what I’ve gleaned:

    As I suspected, and many have confirmed, the process is basically the same for the homebrewer regardless of batch size.....brew, ferment, package.

    BIAB sounds like a good way to go for smaller batches.
    Because some things are downsized, specifically grain bill and mash tun, maintaining temperatures when mashing might take extra attention due to the reduced thermal mass.
    Determining boil-off rates can be tricky.
    Adjustments of quantities for hops, specialty malts, adjuncts, etc. can/will have greater impact.
    I’m thinking fermentation temps will be easier to control but am interested to hear thoughts to the contrary in case there’s something I haven’t considered.

    @HerbMeowing and @HighlandtownBMore the Mr. Beer LBK sounds like a good fit for small-batch brewing (or rather fermenting). It’s doubtful I’ll get one from the git-go, but will certainly check it out unless I start drinking more beer and need to revert to 5-gallon batches.

    @dmtaylor I vaguely remember you previously posting about tall, narrow fermentation vessels, and that you had a kind of ‘note to self’ to do some trials and comparisons. Since you’re still doing the ‘vace’ thing (it’ll be known as the ‘vahze’ thing when it gets to the boutique phase), I’m guessing it’s mitigating some undesirables outcomes for you. Check out this’n from BYO and drool:

    [​IMG]

    @deadwolfbones I had previously considered RoboBrew, GrainFather, or similar to use as you have described; in BIAB fashion without a malt pipe. Your post helped to conceptualize using a larger than needed fermentor….no worries as long as it’s purged of O2.

    My first small batch will probably be a RIS.
    Because of the large grain bill (11.5 lbs for 2.5-gallon batch) I’ll be using a 10-gallon mash tun non-BIAB (thermal properties I already know) and a 7-gallon purged primary, then transfer to a 3-gallon secondary. A 5-gallon kettle should be plenty.
    For smaller beers I'm thinking BIAB in a 5-gallon Igloo mash tun should work well.

    Thanks again folks!
     
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