New Beer Weekend #14

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The weather forecast for tomorrow in my area is for chilly weather. The sort of weather that gets me thinking about Harvest time so I will be discussing some new beers that are literally new as in freshly harvested wet hops.

    Do you have any beers related to harvest that you can discuss this weekend? Or any ol' new beer will do. Jump on in.

    Let’s get wet!

    As in drinking wet hopped beers that is!

    It has been a while since I conducted a side-by-side tasting so why not do so today.

    One beer will be a commercial beer: Fat Heads Hop Stalker.

    A description of this beer:

    “Hop Stalker Fresh Hop IPA

    Limited Release

    Get ready to go commando! Hop Stalker has Over 1,200 pounds of hops from Loftus Ranches in Washington state were overnighted to us, making this one bad-ass wet-hopped mother of a brew. Don’t wait. It only comes around once a year, and should be consumed fresh!

    7% ABV”

    https://beverages2u.com/product/fat-heads-hop-stalker-ipa-12-oz-cans-4-pack/

    I am interested in knowing what variety(s) of hops were used to brew this beer but this detail is missing from the above verbiage.

    The other beer will be my annual homebrewed wet hopped beer which is an APA where I add freshly picked wet hops from my hop plant (see photo below). My friend Gary helps every year by picking the hops as the wort is boiling. It does not get any fresher than that!

    I brand this beer as Gary’s Harvest Ale.

    The hop plant was a birthday present from my sister to my wife for ornamental purposes (ergo the arched trellis):

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    As mentioned above Gary’s Harvest Ale is basically an American Pale Ale where the aroma addition is freshly picked wet hops that I add at the end of boil (flame out) and I conduct a 30 minute hop-stand.

    These are very different beers (IPA vs. APA) but what the heck, let’s compare them anyway.

    Served in my Spiegelau IPA Glasses:

    Appearance:

    Fat Heads Hop Stalker: Golden yellow with a BIG white head.

    Gary’s Harvest Ale: Golden colored with an orangeish hue. A firm white head sits on top of the beer.

    Aroma:

    Fat Heads Hop Stalker: A vibrant aroma of herbal but some spicy in the background.

    Gary’s Harvest Ale: The first thing that hits my nose is pleasant spicy/herbal aromas from the hops but as the beer warms/opens up a bit f fruitiness as well.. The aroma level is medium.

    Taste:

    Fat Heads Hop Stalker: The flavor follows the nose with mostly herbal flavors but as the beer warms/opens up there is a hint of dank. There is a prominent bitterness.

    Gary’s Harvest Ale: The taste pretty much follows the nose with flavors of spicy & herbal from the hops. A moderate bitterness which provides a bit of firmness to the beer.

    Mouthfeel

    Fat Heads Hop Stalker: Medium bodied with a dry finish.

    Gary’s Harvest Ale: Medium bodied with a dry finish.

    Overall

    Fat Heads Hop Stalker: This beer is very good! I very much enjoyed the flavor profile of this beer; a nice break from the tropical fruits & citrus that seems to be dominant in hoppy beers these days.

    Gary’s Harvest Ale: The most prominent characteristic of this beer is that it has great drinkability. The sort of beer that after finishing the beer all that you would think: I would like to have another.

    I had two beers to drink so I offered one to my wife. She took two quick sips and stated “I will take this one”. The beer she selected was Hop Stalker which is absolutely no surprise since she is a HUGE hophead and IPAs are her favorite beers.

    I was very happy to finish Gary’s Harvest Ale since this beer is süffig (German for drinkable).

    Cheers!

    @rotsaruch @RobH @KOP_Beer_OUtlet @invertalon @cavedave @ESHBG

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  2. tomhoboken

    tomhoboken Aspirant (277) Apr 22, 2009 New Jersey

    Nothing to add yet... but you've inspired me to get out to the stores today and see what wet hopped brews they have in! Hoping for Founder's Harvest. Hell I'd even grab Celebration if they have it :wink:
     
  3. VABA

    VABA Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,735) Aug 8, 2015 Virginia
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    Pours a hazy light amber color with a nice head and lacing
    Aroma has generous wheat, rye, oats, hops and oak hints
    The taste follows the nose with a nice tart wheat, rye, oats, hops and oak flavor
    A light bodied well carbonated beer
    A very well done dry hopped Wild Ale
     
  4. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    All Centennial this year. Which is different than in the past. From here according to their Twitter page
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  5. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Good to see you opening, Jack! Wee haa, nice descriptions of those beers. You take fresh hop to its extreme, holy sheet, a friend picks while you get ready, nice! Lush trellis of hops, man, excellent! Makes me think of my hops, Chinooks, which received no care this year, and were hit hard by the once a lifetime hail storm we had in June, but still yielded a bunch of cones I used for fresh hop...tea, and even better tea now from dried I'm finding. Haha, that's the state of my life now.

    Speaking of state of my life, I almost had a beer this past week, but changed my mind, so it's been a buncha weeks since last one, maybe I'll toss something from the cellar in to the fridge and join y'all later after a good forage for rose hips and blackberry leaves. Meanwhile, keep those pics and reviews coming, I drink the beer with my eyes nowadays. Cheers!
     
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  6. VABA

    VABA Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,735) Aug 8, 2015 Virginia
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    Pours a nice hazy golden color with a generous head and lacing
    Aroma has generous hop and coffee hints
    The taste follows the nose with a nice creamy hop and coffee flavor
    A medium bodied well carbonated beer
    A well done IPA
     
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  7. jkblr

    jkblr Grand Pooh-Bah (5,132) Nov 22, 2014 Indiana
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    Good morning NBW and a big thank you to @basaywhat for this new breakfast stout
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    Central Waters Pecan Kringle Stout:
    12oz bottle coded 1612 (136 days ago) poured into a snifter at just above fridge temp 12.3% ABV. The beer pours dark brown with mahogany highlights and light brown head. The head recedes to fluffy ring and small island. Minimal spotty lacing. The aroma is impressive in strength and offers candied pecans, caramel, vanilla, pastry dough and minimal bourbon & oak. The taste is semisweet caramel, vanilla, brown sugar & pecan before the oaky bourbon barrel asserts itself mid to late palate. Medium final bitterness and no detectable hop flavor. The mouthfeel is full to medium bodied with less than average carbonation and a semi dry finish. No detectable alcohol in the nose and it's minimal on the tongue. Overall, outstanding. The pastry aspect is perfect as you can smell and taste the Kringle, but the beer never gets overly sweet. Recommended.

    I was so excited many years ago when Central Waters began to distribute here and extremely sad when they stopped about two years ago. I think their barrel aged stuff is world class. Thanks again Chris!

    Cheers all and enjoy the new beer in your glass this weekend!
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Why not!?! Celebration is brewed with hops recently harvested (e.g., September harvest).

    Celebrate good times, come on!:slight_smile:

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    Cheers!
     
  9. basaywhat

    basaywhat Grand Pooh-Bah (3,021) May 20, 2013 Illinois
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    I'm glad you enjoyed it!
     
  10. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Sierra Nevada northern hemisphere should be around. Their beer finder is pretty accurate if you want to locate.
     
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  11. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Good Morning and happy weekend to everyone!

    Its no secret that I love a good lager, so anytime I hear of a new local brewery focusing on lagers, I like to give them a try. Although I am far from a brewer myself I've heard many brewers say that brewing an excellent pale lager is one of the hardest things to do, so in my opinion, its a great way to judge the quality of a brewery.

    I recently heard about a new brewery in the Western suburbs of Chicago - Goldfinger Brewing Co. - that was focusing exclusively on lagers. I hadn't heard of them and it turns out that is because they were slated to open this spring, but had to delay opening due to the pandemic. They only opened their "doors" to the public at the end of July. The story behind the brewery (and the name) is quite cool. It is not actually a James Bond themed brewery ... rather, the brewer's ancestor - Markus Goldfinger - was a brewer in Krakow, Poland in the 19th century.
    The brewery is actually named after Markus. In the lobby of the brewery they have memorabilia, documents and other historical stuff from the original Goldfinger brewery in Poland.

    With all of that interesting back story, I knew I had to try their beers, so I recently stopped in and picked up a crowler of each of their beers - a lager, a pilsner, a Vienna lager and their Oktoberfest märzen.

    I drank the pilsner last weekend, so I am not going to over it here, but I am going to cover the other three in this first post.

    First up is their Original lager. This appears to be their "flagship" beer. This one uses a single decoction mash.
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    Pours a dark golden color. Crystal clear. Thick, two finger head white head dissipates quickly leaving no residual head on the beer. Aroma has notes of toasted bread, slightly sweet. I can't shake a hint, just a hint of smokiness coming through on the nose. Taste has notes of toasted malts, mildly bready, with a touch of sweetness. Light spicy hop notes on the back end. As the beer warms that smokiness on the nose becomes subtle, but noticeable in the flavor profile. Feel is light, crisp, easy drinking. Really bright vibrant carbonation.

    This was a delicious lager one that I could easily drink all day.

    Next up is their Vienna lager - this one uses a double decoction mash.
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    Pours a dark mahogany color. Clear when held to the light. Thin white head dissipates very quickly. Almost no head retention as has been the case for the other beers from Goldfinger. Aroma has notes of sweet dark bready malts, some dark fruit notes with a noticeable spicy hop note on the back end. Its really lacking in any toasted quality on the nose like you'd expect from a Vienna lager.

    Taste follows the nose with some dark bready malts, no toasted quality to it as it was on the nose. Light toffee and caramel sweetness comes through. There is a really robust distinct hoppiness to this beer. They list it as 28 IBUs which is in the range of acceptable, but for me, its pushing too hoppy for what I like in the style. Coupled with the lack of toasted malts, it ends up missing the mark. Feel is light to medium bodied, with bright carbonation. It presents as a very drinkable dark lager. Somewhat dry on the finish.

    Overall this was a nice lager thats enjoyable to drink on its own. But judging this one to style, it really needs more of that nice toasted malt quality they get out of their original lager. The hops are a bit much for me for this style, but thats a preference thing.

    The last one is their Oktoberfest ur-märzen.
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    Pours a dark mahogany color - this is probably the darkest märzen I have ever seen ... thick four-finger off-white head dissipates quite quickly. No residual head is retained outside of a small splotch of foam on top of the beer. The beer itself is crystal clear when held up to the light. Aroma has notes of bready malts, there is a slight nutty quality to the malts, a touch of malty sweetness but its not caramel, or anything like that - just a light sweetness to the malts. A hint of spicy noble hops comes through. Frankly, it smells really good.

    Taste follows the nose with rich bready malts, lightly toasted, with a hint of sweetness. Really impressed with the richness of the bready malts in this one. There is no graininess, but as on the nose, there is a slight nuttiness to the flavor. The sweetness is very restrained and it ends up as a very dry märzen which in turn allows the hops to really play a nice role in the overall flavor profile. Its not very hoppy, but the spicy noble hops definitely come through on the back end and linger into the finish even. As it warms I start to get a bit of a dark fruit vide from this one - akin to what you might get from a rich malty bock or doppelbock. Feel is medium bodied, a tad chewy. Bright vibrant carbonation, but very smooth. Pretty dry on the finish.

    Overall I think the best comparison for this is the Ettaler märzen - it goes in the same direction of really showcasing the rich malts making it a decadent beer. This one isn't one that I'm likely to knock back more than 1 litre of in a sitting (in fact, 1 litre might be a bit much ... ), but its delicious nonetheless.

    My overall impression of Goldfinger is that they are on the right track with their lagers - they're doing all the right things to turn out amazing lagers, its just now a question of honing in and improving their recipes. Their pilsner needs a bit of work as does the Vienna lager, but their original lager and Oktoberfest were delicious. I will be absolutely picking up whatever they brew and am really excited to see where they go!

    Time for some chores now, so I'll check back in later this evening. Have a great Saturday everyone!
     
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  12. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    47 degrees this morning, great dog walking weather. Also a signal that it's time to close up the pool for the winter.
    My new beer for today is Exnovofest, an Oktoberfest from Ex Novo Brewing Company. It was canned 09/17/2020 and is 5.8% ABV.
    Clear amber color with a very small off-white head
    Aroma of sweet malt, a little bread, and floral hops
    Taste of caramel, white bread, and hops
    A lot of hops and not much malt.
    A bit of a disappointment; too hoppy for me.

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  13. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Yours is sort of like mine, just a giant more like SHRUB that's just gone everywhere except bigger.

    I think I am a little further South than you, so I have already harvested and had some really bad cones. Too much rain this year and not enough sun, plus my vine grew and collapsed on itself..

    I have some cones ready for dry hopping but we shall see.. it might be too late.
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Slight typo there, should be single decoction mash.

    As regards the Vienna Lager if we get past the style conformance aspect it sounds like you liked this beer: “Overall this was a nice lager thats enjoyable to drink on its own.”

    I visited the Goldfinger Brewery website and they have a list of upcoming beers:

    “In the future:

    Baltic Porter

    Czech Dark

    Schwarzbier

    Mexican Lager

    Doppelbock

    Oktoberfest

    Polish Pils”

    In another thread @AlcahueteJ discussed a side-by-side tasting of Schwarzbier and Czech Dark Lager. Maybe you could do this with these Goldfinger beers?

    Cheers!
     
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  15. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    First new beer this weekend is a 12% imperial porter with marshmallow, vanilla beans, cocoa (sic) nibs, and coconut: Voyager's Getaway from Humble Forager Brewery.

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    "Imperial Pastry Porter," ehh? Well, I don't particularly love the "pastry stout" label, but at least it avoids the whole "adjunct" controversy. :wink:

    For me, the standard bearer in pastry stouts is easily Angry Chair. Unfair as it may be, that's what I'm looking for in a pastry stout/porter: thick, creamy, low bitterness, and the flavorings soar.

    How does Voyager's Getaway fare?

    The appearance isn't encouraging. Yes, it's got a nice large head, but it disappears quickly, leaving no lacing or topper to ever tell the tale it was ever there. If you swirl the glass, you can see tiny sediment particles clinging to the glass and slowly sliding down.

    These kinds of visible imperfections are perhaps expected in a pastry porter, and they're not glaring, but I can't see any way to rate the appearance above a 3. It is, at best, "Okay."

    The aroma is nice, but I mean it with all the positive and negative connotations of the word nice. Vanilla and marshmallow are strongest; coconut is present; the malt base provides a syrupy-like sweetness and molasses. You really have to hunt for the chocolate, and there's a metallic tinge that is undeniably unwelcome.

    Thankfully, that tinge does not translate to the palate, and everything comes together quite nicely. At first syrupy, it quickly yields nice notes of coconut, with a growing balance of chocolate, vanilla, and marshmallow. Coconut lingers through most of the sip, and the chocolate grows on the back third.

    Slick, but not full bodied, which is a bit surprising for a 12% ABV pastry stout/porter. Very low but present alcohol heat; virtually no sting. I expect a bigger body all around, but it's still a pretty enjoyable sip.

    Only two of my last 12 ratings were +rDev; this one falls into the majority. That's not to say it's bad - but I definitely don't think it's worth the $6+ asking price (and that's in a four pack).

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/58881/511604/?ba=Roguer#review
    3.71 / -11%

    Cheers!
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, hop plants really want/need to travel straight up like this:

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    Since the original intention of my wife's hop plant was for ornamental reasons I never constructed a proper house eave trellis using twine (or a steel cable).

    When the hop bines reach the top of my arched trellis they still want to travel up and some even try to attach to the nearby roof. I have to 'encourage' them to travel horizontal (using twist ties) and once they reach the downslope eventually gravity pulls them down. I have no doubt that this arched trellis system is sub-optimum from a crop perspective but it looks nice and I do get enough hop cones every year to produce a pleasant wet hopped Harvest Ale.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Good early weekend, New Beer Denizens, and welcome all to this descriptive delving into the delicious and/or dubious new draughts. Today I will do a side-by-side like our host - a battle, if you will, of an award-winning American German Pilsner against a German Pilsner imported to America.

    The not-new beer is from Port City - their German Pilsner, which won gold for Zwicekl/Kellerbier at GABF last year. I really liked the beer when I bought it this year, and found I had rated it pretty well last year. I had forgotten it medalled until reading the can last time I had one.

    Paulaner makes an Oktoberfest that I have near the top of my ratings for beers that fall into that BA category. So since I enjoy a good Pilsner, I figured why not try their version. I didn't realize finding this might be something new or highly anticipated, but there is a short thread about cans of Paulaner Pils hitting the shelves.

    Let's see if those Germans know anything about making a Pilsner...
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    On the pour, the beers look about the same golden color, but there is a condensation and chill haze normalizing things. I thought I might have to take care to continue to have the PC on the right or I might get confused. Even the heads were similar, flowing up and staying sticky as they grew Push-Pop over the top of the glass. The heads fell slowly into a whipped cream consistency, though the Paulaner had a little more tightness to it.

    However, after sitting and waiting for my intro to be composed, the Paulaner has stayed golden, but cleared up to near transparency, while Port City's beer looks a little more like the Keller style it entered into last year. The head on Paulaner's Pils has maintained a thin cap across the surface. PC German Pilsner has good coverage, but there are some cracks in the ice.

    The Port City brew has a nice Pilsner malt note, a bit of bread, and and some grassy hops on the nose. Paulaner Pils has a weaker nose, a little grain, a hint of grass, and a little mineral notes. I'll take a second to note here that the Paulaner is actually fresher :astonished: - canned 9/7 while Port City put out their beer on August 18th (it's been in my fridge since about the beginning of the month).

    When I first sipped these quickly to get some room to assess the nose, I thought they tasted awfully similar. Will this similarity hold up?
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    Port City is a bit hop-forward. The dried grass clippings join the malt to generate a heavily herbed focaccia flavor off the bat. The Paulaner also has a grassy note in the opening, but there's also a mineral note and a bit more of the classic Pilsner malt. Port City's brew has a tad more heft and fullness to it, where the Paulaner is clean and refreshing.

    The Port City beer's flavors continue into the mid taste without much change. The Paulaner has a shift towards more mineral and grass, becoming a little more bitter as the beer flows towards my gullet. There's a slight bit more carbonation felt in the Paulaner, though the slightly extra body on the Port City might soften its carbonation to my perception.

    A near metallic aspect on Paulaner is about its only detraction, where the body of Port City's brew could use a little lightening. There's a slight herbal note in the late/aftertaste of Paulaner. Port City has a similar slight turn in back, but leans a little more towards the dry grass and includes a bit of a return of the malt.

    Well, these beers do not taste the same - but they're not drastically different, either. In fact, other than feel - the openings are fairly similar. Mid-taste they start to diverge, but along parallel lines. Today, I think I like Paulaner a little bit more. I am in the mood for a cleaner beer right now and that means the German brewers brewed the better beer for this sitting.

    Cheers!!
     
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  18. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Good catch! I fixed it. stupid autocorrect :wink:
    Oh yeah, I drank the whole crowler and really enjoyed it. Hopefully they can hone in the recipe a bit.
    Oh, I would love that - but they are very slowly and deliberately releasing their beers - I assume its a limited space thing for them. According to the bartender, baltic porter is up next, so I'm hoping that list is in order and the Czech dark and schwarzbier will come later this year.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, one of the 'downsides' of brewing lager beers is the long time before the beer is ready to be consumed (the lengthy lagering period).

    They are only listing three beers as being available at the moment. On the website's home tab there are rotating photos and one photo shows 6 horizontal tanks. Some breweries choose to use horizontal tanks for lagering vessels since it reduces the vertical distance for precipitates to fall out of solution. It is tough to discern the size of those tanks - maybe a differing batch of lager in each tank?

    https://goldfingerbrewing.com/

    Anyway it sounds like you have an exciting new brewery near you to obtain lager beers.

    I too greatly appreciate locally brewed lager beers since many of these beer styles benefit from being very fresh.

    Cheers!
     
  20. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Nice write up @cjgiant thanks for bringing us along for the ride. I’ll be looking for the paulaner in the coming weeks.

    Curious on the paulaner price, do you mind me asking what it ran you down there?
     
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