Help me understand biscuit

Exclude raspberry and coconut, they are more of theoretically "stone fruits". Maybe stone fruit (over)simplified is all fruit but citrus. You taste fruity. Citrus? Maybe. Stone fruit? More so.

 

Guilty as charged regarding lychee, every once in a while anyway. Just calling 'em how I sees 'em. But when I've sensed it it was unmistakable at least .

 

When I think of biscuit related to beer I think of that bready aroma of softness covered by a crunchy hide and breath it in. Like walking the streets around the Heineken brewery in Amsterdam where everything smells of fresh baked bread, luring you in, making you never forget the sensory impression.

 

1,2,3,5, and 8 on your list are not stone fruits. Stone fruits are the fruits from the genus "prunus". That misunderstanding might explain a bit of your consternation with the term. Its much narrower than you are apparently assuming

 

Actually, I've seen those on lists of stone fruit -- even olives. Don't understand raspberries myself, my grandmother always called the pit in a peach a "stone," so my own definition started there -- I always expect something that might break a tooth -- raspberries never scared me like that.

 

Along the lines of biological definition vs. culinary definition (like tomatoes and peppers are fruits) I suppose.

I bet the most common interpretation is the same way as @unlikelyspiderperson posted.

 

Well then I guess I have no idea what a stone fruit is. To me it is the fruit of a plant from the genus prunus. That's the flavor profile I'm referring to when I say "stone fruit".

I guess if you consider anything with a large seed in the center a " stone fruit" then the term would be a pretty useless flavor descriptor

 

Only my humble opinion but...
With regard to stonefruit, I use it as a descriptor for essentially peach/nectarine/apricot flavors. (Flavors that several of the more popular used hops frequently impart). Usually I can differentiate mango and can name it separately, depending on how many beers I’ve had.
Regarding biscuit, I generally get bready flavors from lagers.
The classic beer that screamed ‘biscuit’ was New Belgium’s Fat Tire. I was like “Damn, this is a dude riding a cruiser bike in the countryside eating biscuits or crackers.”

 

Check google

 

The discussion around whether or not X/Y/Z is a stone fruit, whether we're using the common or botanical definition of stone fruit, or just generally what stone fruit is, supports @rozzom's point that the phrase "stone fruit" is not a universal term when it comes to describing beer. After reading this thread, who knows what the heck anybody means when they use it?

Hence the desire to be a little more specific, otherwise what common ground can we stand on when we discuss our shared, subjective experience of beer? Or so help me god @TongoRad, the next time you use it I'm going to assume you're talking about black pepper, style be damned .

 

Ya I did after @steveh mentioned having heard many of those same fruits. The list you and some of the google links provide are so broad as to indeed make stone fruit a meaningless term. I'm gonna keep using it the way I always have because it has an actual useful meaning that way.

I always think of plants in terms of their botanical group so any list that lumps peaches, coconuts, mangos, and raspberries in the same group just strikes me as silly. Raspberries and blackberries are cane fruits. Coconuts and dates are palm fruits. I don't know much about mango or lychee botanically but their seeds are totally different than the "stones" that characterize the prunus fruits.

Language is a tricky thing even in a sterile academic setting. Add in dialects, slang, vernacular, and jargon and its a miracle we successfully communicate anything to anyone outside our immediate community

 

As Bret27 mentions, I always just thought of peaches, nectarines and apricots, I guess cherries make some sense, but never thought of raspberries -- let alone olives.

Heh -- just Googled stone fruit definition -- the "stone" is based on the pit, just like grandma told me -- but that doesn't explain raspberries.

 

Don't forget California's favorite stone fruit, the avocado! Definitely get that flavor from a lot of these modern hops

 

Allegedly an avocado is a berry. Nothing makes sense anymore!

 

Well damn, gonna have to make me some avocado jelly to eat with my biscuits...
Or maybe that's my new fruited sour neipa with lactose Avo Jelly Biscuits. Keep an eye out for the ddh version, it's

 

Why not? If people can report garlic, why not guacamole?

 

Ya know, "look and body of guacamole, with notes of lime.juice and garlic" should be a much more preposterous beer description than it is

 

I use the word when specificity beyond that is not possible. Just like other generic flavor or aroma terms we use. I'm sure all of you can easily pick out and separate 23 different aromas and flavors and name them all. I can't. So, sometimes, I use more generic terms.

By definition, generic terms cannot communicate specificity.

 

Would hope so, but... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupe

On the other hand: