First Lager fermentation Q

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  1. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I know that yeast don't follow timetable, but this is my first lager fermentation and am curious what other's have experienced.

    On Oct 3, I brewed a 1.059 Marzen and began fermenting with WLP 830 (I had made a starter). Active (visible) fermentation lasted almost two weeks. On Oct 17, I pulled a sample to check progress with my refractometer and was at 8.6 Brix (approx 1.017). Today I pulled another sample and measured 8.2 Brix (approx 1.015), so gravity is still dropping. I'm going to continue monitoring every 3 to 4 days, and I guess it'll be done when it's good and ready... LOL.

    Is this behavior similar to your experiences?

    Thanks!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Lagers tend to take a little longer than ales, unless you go really high on pitch rates, or ferment at ale-like temperatures. How much yeast did you pitch and what was the batch size?
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    "Is this behavior similar to your experiences?"

    All of the various lagers I have brewed (about 80-100 batches) have completed primary fermentation in less than 14 days but they have all been of moderate gravity (i.e., less than 1.054) and I have only ever fermented with WLP830 once.

    You are doing the proper thing in terms of checking your gravity looking for a consistency in readings.

    Cheers!
     
  4. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I’m in the same boat right now with Marzen. I had the same SG and it’s been roughly 2 weeks. Mine is at 1.021 for the last 3 days. I pitched 2 new packs of that yeast into a starter and I’ve had it in a temp controlled chamber starting at 50°for 3 days then rising to 60° two degrees a day until there and holding a week. I’ve dropped it back down to 50° two days ago. Just gonna let it sit there for another week and then cold crash and pressure transfer to the keg. I’m considering trying gelatin out for clarity. Never used it and this beer is for friends who paid for the ingredients and had them shipped to my house so I would have to brew it for them lol. So I don’t want to mess it anymore than I probably already have lol
     
  5. The_Modern_Brewhouse

    The_Modern_Brewhouse Initiate (195) Sep 25, 2020 Minnesota

    No, for a beer like this I would pitch probably around 3mil/p, and oxygenate to about 14ppm (verified with a DO meter). For an example of what pitch rate I am talking about when I say 3, it would probably be the equivalent to about 6-7 direct pitch wyeast packs( or roughly 1/2 of a mason jar full of pure yeast). Unfortunately starter calculators are way off (about 50% or more) which is easily verified with a scope. So your pitch rate for that larger was pretty low. IF, you are not seeing around ~5 gravity points per day with lagers, you have not pitched enough yeast, oxygenated enough, or both.
    For me on a 14.5p beer I would like to see around 1.5ppd (plato per day) with a final gravity of about 2.5p.
    So the math works out like this:
    14.5-2.5 = 12
    12/1.5 = 8
    8 days of fermentation to terminal gravity.
     
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  6. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Thanks for the info! Based on White Lab's website starter instructions, I made a 2-liter starter from one pure-pitch packet for a 5-gallon batch and I oxygenated for 2 minutes. Looks like I'm going to be at 1.014 or 1.015, or 2 to 3 points over the FG of 1.012 predicted by brew-cipher. I'm not going to sweat a few points on my first lager. BTW, brew-cipher suggested a 2-step starter: 1 QT and 2.9 QT.

    In the end, it will still be beer and I'm pretty certain it will be tasty! Next time I will follow brew-cipher's recommendations for a starter and see how we fare.

    Thanks!
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I'm pretty sure I overkill, but I toss 2x yeast packs into a 4l starter.
     
  8. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Same just made one last night.. 2 packs into 4L although this is for a slightly higher OG than usual but only 1.054.
     
  9. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Update: Bottled the Marzen today! FG turned out @ 1.013, one point over Brew Cipher's predicted value. I'm calling this a win! Tastes great at this point and the color is beautiful, but we still have a ways to go. Going to let bottles carb @ 65F for a week, then put it down for a long, cold nap. See you at Christmas!
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You should let your beers bottle condition for a minimum of two weeks before chilling them down.

    Cheers!
     
  11. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    Nice win, mine never would drop below 1.020 I went ahead and kegged it yesterday. Look in the what homebrew are you drinking thread tonight I’ll post the first pour. Cheers
     
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  12. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    To quote The Rolling Stones: "Time is on my side, yes it is!"

    Another week of conditioning won't hurt a bit! Going to give it all the time it needs. Thanks!
     
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