What beer started the turbid/cloudy IPA trend?

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What beer deserves credit for staring the turbid/cloudy IPA trend?

  1. Treehouse Julius

    27 vote(s)
    9.9%
  2. Trillium Congress Street

    8 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. Tired Hands HopHands

    6 vote(s)
    2.2%
  4. Hill Farmstead Edward

    7 vote(s)
    2.6%
  5. The Alchemist Heady Topper

    214 vote(s)
    78.1%
  6. Other

    12 vote(s)
    4.4%
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  1. jakecattleco

    jakecattleco Grand Pooh-Bah (3,749) Sep 3, 2008 California
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    I applaud any brewer of hoppy beers that pushes fresh consumption (and proper storage to support it).
     
  2. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    2014. And that picture I think is of a home brewed clone of Nelson, in which the the post actually says that’s different than the actual Nelson due to how cloudy it is. Maybe that home brewer stumbled upon accidentally making a true New England IPA?

    “In the video Alpine is shown using a product called Clarity Ferm, this could be the reason why there is not as much hop haze in their final product compared to yours.”

    For the first truly turbid New England IPA? Definitively I can say Congress Street was like that in 2013, Trillium’s first IPA.

    Not saying that’s the answer, could be others, but I’m fairly certain of Congress Street.

    Being in New England, I can tell you I knew people well before then who were seeking out juicy IPAs.

    Well, not now. But if I recall (specifically from my picture and other experiences early on) it was cloudier in the past.

    Don’t forget the 4 pack of 16 oz. cans!
     
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  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Oh ya I wasn't pointing to any kind of early news, just relating my personal experience. The haze was a thing out here before then for sure its just never been a.hit with my social circle
     
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  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Reread that. The spiedlau has the real deal.
     
  5. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    What?
     
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    That overpriced butt plug looking piece of glass wear. Let's see autocorrect butcher that!
     
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  7. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    The answer is Treehouse. Was juicy a thing before them?
     
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  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    The OPs title is turbid and cloudy, which any respecting NEIPA obviously is, the nature of the beast. But he also stated “started” as well. Hard to be first when your a decade behind Alchemist. :slight_smile:.
     
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  9. Jaycase

    Jaycase Grand Pooh-Bah (3,858) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    But the OP also stated 'trend'. The NEIPA trend did not start until after Tree House came into the picture. If the trend started in 2005 I'd agree with you but it didn't.
     
  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’m not exactly sure of the timeline, but the trend I believe started when Alchemist opened up their cannery after the flood. I think I saw that predated the openings of both Trillium and Tree House. When the cannery opened up the footprint expanded.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Lots of semantics discussion going on. Perhaps I should consult with my attorney before making my next post?:thinking_face:

    Cheers!
     
  12. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    It's obvious after 5 pages of posts that the correct answer is "It's open for debate."
     
  13. kodt

    kodt Pooh-Bah (2,286) Mar 6, 2013 Illinois
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    Heady predates the trend by so long that I don’t think it can be the choice here.

    I believe Heady influenced the beers that did set off the craze, but if Heady started the craze then why did it not start for over a decade later?

    Also, both visually and flavor profile it is clear the beer being mimicked was not Heady as they looked nothing like it. They looked much more like Juilius etc...
     
  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Simple, available on tap in Waterbury until destroyed in the flooding from a tropical storm. Reopened the Pub, opened the cannery introducing Heady in Cans into a very small area. It still predates both Trillium and Tree House when off site buying was available. It was still first in both concept and availability. Heady was brewed a decade before the other contenders, but the canning dates are fairly close. At least to the date lines I’ve seen.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  16. plaid75

    plaid75 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,672) Jan 13, 2005 New York
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    Heady isn't a NEIPA?
     
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  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    No, other than it’s brewed in Vt, that doesn’t count.
     
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  18. plaid75

    plaid75 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,672) Jan 13, 2005 New York
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    That's news to me. Maybe to them too. Though I doubt they care. One beer itself does not warrant its own style, but just because they were first doesn't mean they are excluded when the style is designated many years later. To them it was likely just a unique DIPA when they created it. It is kind of like how Jaws was called Jaws, and not Jaws 1.

    For what its worth, the term "Vermont IPA" predates the NEIPA classification, which was created to include similar beers to HT, brewed beyond the borders of Vermont.

    See https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com...mont-needs-credit-new-ipa-style-beer/9092721/
     
  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    When the exotic bright and fruit forward hops (Citra, Galaxy, Mosaic etc) gained traction in America over the historical American “C” hops and also the extensive dry hopping. That was definitely a major catalyst in the explosion in the shift of the IPA style. Although NEIPA has other brewing attributes, this one factor is probably the most pronounced.
     
  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Otter Creek’s Brewmaster Mike series, should have a footnote in NEIPA history here. Came into popularity around the same time as Lagunitas Born Yesterday...both introduced a wider US drinking audience to the flavors of the exotic fruit forward juicy hops that was previously only in tiny state and regional pockets to be found.
     
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