Brewery: "We do not serve fascists."

When we decided that having someone who:
A) made fun of a disabled reporter in a rally.
B) admitted in an Access Hollywood video to sexual assault, and has been accused by multiple woman of sexual assault.
C) was an admitted close friend of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell.
D) demanded that the Central Park 5 (all of whom were black) be given the death penalty despite them all being exonerated.
E) has settled multiple cases over him discriminating against people of color.
F) straight up refused to acknowledge that Obama is a US citizen even after he procured his birth certificate
G) sided with known neo-****s like David Duke and Richard Spencer
was not enough to disqualify him for the presidency.

And then, as if that wasn't enough, during his presidency he:
A) has repeatedly refused to condemn white supremacy and neo-****sm
B) has repeatedly attempted to instigate violence, either against politicians who disagree with him or with states that have defied his orders.
C) has pursued policies (such as border control) to separate immigrant families from their children, as well as straight up torture those who are detained by ICE.
D) deliberately and maliciously tear-gassed peaceful protestors at Lafayette Park for a photo op
E) sent federal agents to deliberately and maliciously tear-gas and detain peaceful protestors in cities such as Portland
F) vilified peaceful protestors such as Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid for refusing to stand for the anthem
G) refused to attend Civil Rights Leader John Lewis' memorial
H) refused to visit a WW1 soldier memorial over fears of rain, as well as calling soldiers who died in battle "losers" and "suckers".
I) hoarded PPE and face masks to prevent Democratic states from using them to SAVE LIVES at the beginning of the COVID outbreak

and still had over 67 million Americans decide that this was what they wanted.

And this is all off the top of my head, I know there are hundreds of other incidents that all paint the exact same picture: Trump is not a decent person. Not even close. Nothing in his attitude or policies paints a picture of even a sliver of human decency.

 

I agree with your sentiments about white supremacy and racism, but I doubt the following paragraph from the Instagram post that spurred the OP to comment was a reference to Biden voters:

"Whatever the outcome, tens of millions of Americans have yet again formally shown their preference for open fascism, racism, white supremacy."

I read columns from about 15-20 different print and online publications every day, from a wide variety of angles (e.g., Mother Jones, Slate, Vox, The Atlantic, The New Yorker, LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Boston Globe, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, Spectator and American Spectator, American Greatness, National Review, The Federalist, Quillette, Post Millenial, etc.). Today, I was disappointed to read a number of more left-leaning authors who, like this brewer, lumped roughly sixty-some-odd-million American's into the "voted for Trump because they are fascist, racist, sexist etc." category, as if none of those people engaged anything other than the reptilian parts of their brains when they went in and pulled the lever or filled in the oval on their ballots.

I was equally disappointed to read articles suggesting all Biden voters are "bad people" because they voted for Biden. (For example, I'm aware of some right-leaning pundits who have written, tweeted, or suggested that people who voted for Biden aren't "real" Christians or "real" Americans--I'm pretty sure God doesn't pick sides in elections any more than he does in sporting events, but I digress).

In any event, I support the right of any person or business to stake out a political, social, or other justice-driven position. In fact, if a person or business has some success that gives them a bigger or stronger platform to speak out on important issues, they should go for it. It's just a bummer that it's making people choose their beers and their preferred beer-drinkers based on something other than how tasty the brew and how good the company is, and I suspect that's part of what drove the OP to speak up.

If we ever meet, I'll gladly buy you a drink, no matter who you voted for, and we can talk about how crappy my favorite football team is.

Cheers.

 

Tap the brakes bro. We get it, you googled. We are all impressed.

 

Don’t forget, he also destroyed ISIS, and lowered black unemployment to a number never seen before. Just sayin.

 

Ironic given that one candidate HAS colluded with Russia in interfering with an election, demanded that Georgia and Pennsylvania stop counting their votes, and just had a press conference where he's advocating for "blood in the streets" despite him losing the popular vote and (at this point, pretty much a certainty) the election as well, and it's not the "socialist"/"communist" one.

 

Hunter Biden has clear and proven connections to Russian.

Popular vote is not how it works. Never has been, get out of the basement.

 

Trigged much?

 

Which is good for 45. He gets to have his minority in charge.

 

Pretty sure US intelligence and the military destroyed ISIS. And unemployment numbers have been bullshit since the 80s.

 

What is this even supposed to "say"?

He "destroyed" ISIS and then immediately retreated from the Middle East, thereby leaving a power vacuum that created ISIS in the first place.

I'm sure all the Kurds that we abandoned in Syria are so grateful we destroyed ISIS as they're being massacred by Turkish forces.

"Lowered black unemployment to a number never seen before". Let's assume this wasn't driven by following Obama's economic policies (where black unemployment dropped from 12.6% to 7.5%).

Black unemployment has now jumped to over 13% under Donald Trump, meaning it's now higher than when Obama took office.

Additionally, even when black unemployment was at 5.5%, that did not correspond to an increase in African-American household income, where it remains 60% lower than white households.

So again, what are you trying to "say" here?

 

And even if every one of these things were true, the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania would have some catching up to do on the atrocity-meter. For example:

FDR rounded up AMERICAN CITIZENS (because they were of Japanese ethnicity) and put them in what were essentially concentration camps, and our Supreme Court in Korematsu shamed itself beyond the pale by sanctioning it. He also sent Jews seeking asylum back to Europe (and possibly death) in the hopes of appeasing a real fascist and keeping us out of WWII.

Truman followed that up by dropping the bomb--twice--notionally to save a million American troops. Most historians agree Japan would have caved without the necessity of an invasion, but Truman wanted to demonstrate American power to the Russians.

From an insult standpoint:

John Adams accused Thomas Jefferson of being the offspring of, among other things, a female native american (I'll let you go look up the epithet).

Not to be outdone, Jefferson's campaign would rejoin that Adams was "hermaphroditical" at a time where such a comment meant something far worse than it would mean today.

Adams also called Alexander Hamilton the "bastard child of a Scotch peddler" which, in historical context, is probably worse than anything Trump has said about any political opponent.

Yes, this is classic "whataboutism" and I readily confess to it. My point isn't that Trump isn't a bag of dicks (duh); I'm just a bit perplexed that Americans are only just now starting to understand that the folks we've elected to occupy the Oval Office aren't deities.

 

Are you really comparing the 1700s and 1800s and 1940s and 50s to now?

 

You should be. If you want to learn things about brews and life in general, you could do far worse than reading a jesskidden post or two.

 

The brainwashing that has taken place in this country is truly mind numbing.
Most that spew the actual intolerance and hatred for others are convinced they are telling the truth even if there is no real evidence to back their claims.

 

I'm going to ignore how you can't differentiate Ukraine from Russia.

Despite multiple investigations by Republican lawmakers (one in 2016 and one in 2020), they can't find any evidence that Hunter Biden has colluded with Ukranian government officials. What, are you going to tell me that Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley are somehow trying to exonerate Hunter Biden?

This is unlike Donald Trump, where, in addition to the Mueller report, we have multiple members of his campaign team (Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen) who are serving sentences directly due to their "clear and proven" connections to Russia.

And it's funny how you talk about the popular vote. We have only 5 presidential elections in which the winner of the Electoral College did not win the popular vote and 2 of those have been in the past 20 years (hello 2000 and 2016).

Also interesting that, despite all this talk about the popular vote not mattering, Republicans refuse to allow places like Washington D.C. or Puerto Rico to become states; AND refuse to uncap the House of Representatives.

For a country that talks about "the vote of the people" and has invaded multiple countries over "ignoring the voice of its people", it's straight hypocrisy that the popular vote now no longer matters because of some rules established by rich, white slave-owners 200 years ago.

Tell me, using your logic, why should anyone listen to Trump if he couldn't even convince the majority of Americans to vote for him for 2 straight elections? In short, why is tyranny of the minority so much preferable? Funny, I remember our Founding Fathers fighting to secede from Great Britain because they disliked said tyranny so much (ignoring of course that fighting GB wasn't even popular among the colonists and that the government they created was just as tyranny of the minority as the one they replaced, only with them in charge and not King George).

 

What are you talking about?!?

fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. (Source: Merriam-Webster dictionary)

Use that common definition or feel free to look up another. Trump and his most diehard supporters have been explicitly emphasizing every single aspect of this concept for four years! If you like Trump and his politics and therefore disagree with the Instagram poster, so be it. But your criticism of the poster's education and pompousness is ironic given that you are accusing them of not understanding a concept that you, yourself, do not appear to understand. You don't get to change facts and definitions just because they paint your guy (if he is your guy) in a negative light. In fact doing so is fascist behavior!

Those damn "elitist" brewery workers that know what stuff means...the nerve!

 

The USA did not invade any countries during the Trump administration.

 

Not as much as Trump realizing he's losing the 2020 election.

But hey, if posting verifiable facts is being "triggered", then yes, I'm super triggered.

 

Great blendery, great policy. Trump supporters can kick rocks forever.

 

@CraftFan5 - As a quick aside (which at least one other poster has touched on), kudos to you for how calm and cool you've kept your side of all of the back-and-forth. You've had plenty of criticism and heat thrown back your way in this thread and yet every single one of your responses has been respectful, friendly, and conversational. We likely have different views about a lot of different things, and I disagree strongly with a few things you've mentioned, but I'm pretty inspired by how you handle your online forum business! We could all use a little more of that.