IPA Factory Breweries

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  1. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    So this thread comes from a discussion that popped up within a brewery specific forum but I think would be a fun topic to get peoples opinions and input on. It's also a broader discussion beyond said brewery.

    Backstory if you want it, if not skip it...someone started a thread about a brewery that brews mostly IPAS, fruited sours, and pastry stouts used to get a lot of talk and really doesn't anymore. The question was why no more talk? This is where the thread title came from as I referred to this as an "ipa factory brewery." @JackHorzempa thinks I should trademark it but I'm sure I'm sadly not the first to use that word.

    IMO opinion there are a lot of breweries that have dived way too much into these currently trendy styles, so much so that that's almost all they brew. In doing so they have left behind or changed beers that were once regularly brewed and brought them fans and love. Some would say "can you blame them, its what sells." But just looking locally I disagree as all of these places have a huge stash of IPA for sale, sitting getting old. So does every beer store I frequent. Heck some are even shipping to others states and they still have a way too huge stock pile of perishable beer.

    I came up with a sequence for every (most) IPA factory breweries (:wink:) it seems:
    1. Lines, lines, lines...pain in the ass to obtain. Sell out same day.
    2. Less line, beer lasts the weekend.
    3. No line beer lasts the week.
    4. Beer sits too long, so we distribute sells out fast in stores.
    5. Beer sits on shelves in distro now
    6. Uh oh...now what

    I'm really not sure how much COVID has contributed to this overstock or more just accelerated people moving on from hyped styles. Because rarity tastes good, once its so easy to access and widely available, not so much any more. Feel free to disagree, agree, etc. Are the breweries that jumped way to heavy into trends going to be the ones in trouble next? Will they slowly start learning to brew other styles? What happens to these places?
     
  2. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    The places that hone and improve and reach/maintain superior levels of quality w/their beers will survive and thrive. Those that brew inferior versions of hyped or non hyped styles will see sales flag and eventually go out of business. In the long run the market will do what it does.
     
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  3. oldmankoch

    oldmankoch Maven (1,299) Jan 1, 2014 Utah

    I can't say what will happen to these breweries on down the line but one that comes to mind under maybe (4) Beer sits too long, so we distribute is Equilibrium.

    I remember a year or two ago this was a "go out of the way to visit" brewery anytime I was in Southern, NY and was excitedly shocked to see they began larger distro footprint that now makes it all the way to TN.

    Why I'm leaning to 4 is that what beers have made it here all have a fairly old canning date - packs I've purchased the last 2-3 weeks are all around a 09/01/20 date.

    They craft a great product so if they could branch out into other styles and differentiate a bit from the plethora of Southern, NY IPA factories (we all can name them by heart) I think it could jolt a new found interest for their beer overall.
     
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  4. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    That’s what I’m wondering if we are starting to see the beginning of this. I think you’re right. Slowly but surely some of these places will end up closing. I wonder how long until we see our first caught off guard (to us) brewery closing.
     
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    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    That’s a perfect example @oldmankoch they’ve popped up here in NJ. Way too expensive for me to try I wanna say one of their IIPA was over 20$ in a store. I think it’s a short term solution for them too. When it’s new people will buy and slowly move on. It sits here in NJ now too, they places only seem to get a little so I guess that’s a plus to help move product.
     
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  6. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I'm pretty sure that Other Half figures out what they are brewing by doing the following:

    Step 1: Spin a wheel with Pale Ale, IPA, or Double IPA to select style.

    Step 2: Spin a roulette wheel of hop varieties. Add hop type to hop bill.

    Step 3: Flip coin.
    Heads: Repeat Step 2.
    Tails: Continue to Step 4.

    Step 4: Flip coin.
    Heads: Spin a roulette wheel of fruit varieties. Add fruit to malt bill and repeat coin flip
    Tails: Continue to Step 5.

    Step 5: Flip coin.
    Heads: Add Lactose
    Tails: No Lactose

    Step 6: Brew

    Step 7: Profit
     
  7. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Locally here in VA:
    SIPA Collab with Cloudwater - $20
    3 TIPAs - $27

    I don't know when these initially dropped but I don't think they're moving very fast in distro.

    Locally, Aslin is the brewery that has shifted to getting a lot more of their beer to distribution. I see my friends in MA have gotten some recently too. This is a brewery who up until recently said they were operating a "Tree House model." I am not sure how fast the beer is moving as more of their brands are making it to distro and getting out into more territories.
     
  8. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    @Ranbot They have 30 IPAs to go at the moment out of 41 beers in Brooklyn!!! Just checked out of curiosity, that is what I’m talking about. That cannot be a good thing to have that much perishable beer in stock. Especially with the strict window of freshness people expect in that style.
     
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    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    It's weird though. I imagine they're still doing fine as they just opened up a fourth brewery (Domino Park). It seems like this has allowed them to spread out and ship between the breweries to do onsite DTC sales. At the same time, they just opened up shipping to their 6th territory (5 states + DC). It's hard to read.
     
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  10. Celtics76

    Celtics76 Pooh-Bah (1,781) Sep 5, 2011 Rhode Island
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    It does seem like shortly after a brewery starts distributing (after step 4), it means they've already peaked. I see this locally with Proclamation. Their stuff flew off the shelves for a while, now they sit..and sit. Quality stuff too. Once something is easy to obtain then it's time to move on. Nature of the Beast.
     
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    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    @Sheppard i wish I knew for curiosity reasons but I do wonder how well they are doing. I mean if a product isn’t moving you’re not making money.

    I would assume the plans for DC were in place for a while but I’m not sure on that one. Even so if they just make the same beers I’d expect the same to happen in DC. Move product quick cause it’s new and excited then the beers will pile up. Just like in Brooklyn, just a guess though.
     
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  12. oldmankoch

    oldmankoch Maven (1,299) Jan 1, 2014 Utah

     
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    oldmankoch Maven (1,299) Jan 1, 2014 Utah

     
  14. ilikebeer03

    ilikebeer03 Pooh-Bah (2,616) Oct 17, 2012 Texas
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    I think COVID has certainly been a contributing factor. In my area (Houston, TX) there are several breweries that previously never packaged anything, distributing several offerings. That makes sense, they've got to make up for lost taproom sales. That surely still hurts them b/c margins are slimmer.

    I also think, truly, these are the beers that sell. Yes, there is still a market for Pilsner. But that market is MUCH smaller than the market for {choose one: NEIPA, fruited sour, pastry stout}.

    Also, you can get away with charging $15+ dollars for a 4 pack of 16oz cans of NEIPA and no one bats an eye. Heck - $15 for some of these hazies is probably on the cheap in. Try selling a $15 4 pack of 5% pilsner....
     
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  15. ilikebeer03

    ilikebeer03 Pooh-Bah (2,616) Oct 17, 2012 Texas
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    Also, there's probably some R&D cost to developing new recipes for pilsner, kolsch, ESB, whatever.
    R&D for new NEIPAs = close your eyes and throw a dart at the wall to pick which hop combination will go into the exact same base beer as your last 15 releases.
     
  16. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    When did you start noticing this happen with Proc? I haven't had much from them and only went to the brewery one time right before the pandemic hit. I wasn't all that impressed but they still make quality beer, I too see a lot of it sitting on the shelves at Gasbarros and such
     
  17. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    this seems wildly accurate imo
     
  18. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    As I understand it, the move was scheduled before COVID hit, and as for many things, that caused a huge pumping of the brakes. But I think it’s back on, if they haven’t yet opened.

    They failed to open a brewpub in Herndon (local red tape) in a timely fashion, so opened a nice, fairly large production facility and tasting room in Alexandria. I think the Herndon place finally opened this year, but we all know it’s 2020, so not sure how it’s working.

    And yes, OTWOA is still very good, even more so to me given the haze craze, in general.
     
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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    To the OP, I’m not sure the style matters so much. Five-plus years ago it might’ve been WC IPA and [BA] Imperial Stout. A brewery gets hyped, expands production, and eventually everyone places them in their proper place (a pseudo-rarity argument, to be sure).

    To the IPA Factory concept, I wonder what the effect of having 25+ different versions of IPA/flavored stout/fruited “Gose”, not all of which can possibly be easily distinguishable, has to do with this.

    Initially, getting the new beer from The Factory is nice; but at some point, it’s just a hassle to keep up.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suspect that for most BAs when they read IPA Factory Breweries the first sort of breweries they think of will be the breweries cranking out new Juicy/Hazy IPA brands on a regular (e.g., weekly) basis. A brewery like Other Half Brewing Co. which has over 600 brands listed on BA.

    Permit me to ‘expand’ the discussion to more of the “Factory” part with Stone Brewing Co. Over the past few years Stone has nixed a number of non-IPA beer brands and today is very much predominantly a hoppy beer company. I was not a fan of this change in product portfolio and their other recent business/legal decisions have motivated me to no longer buy Stone beers.

    Cheers!
     
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