The best beer... statistically

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bonsainut, Nov 30, 2020.

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  1. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Maybe as part of the VIP hour? Those first couple hundred folks who drop the extra $25 to get in early get to do the blind voting between 6-8 beers?
     
  2. TheEpeeist

    TheEpeeist Maven (1,434) Nov 5, 2008 Virginia
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    as well as the cost and difficulty to obtain?
     
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I was speaking more of the competition they have during the festival; blind tasting by judges, not fest-goers -- which would, indeed, turn chaotic. :grimacing:
     
  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Cost and difficulty in acquiring don’t figure into the enjoyment factor, usually what I’ve found is that I can beers of equal quality here with little or no trouble. It’s nice to scratch an itch, but I’m well past the trading part of this site, it’s turned into a stout whale hunt and I don’t want to play. Hope I read your question right.
     
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  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not familiar with "Bud Bro" :grin: (Bud, Bud Light, Bud Select, Bud Light Lime, Bud Light + Clamato, Bud Ice, Bud Platinum, Budweiser Black, Budweiser Copper, Budweiser Prohibition, Budweiser Zero, Bud Light Lemonade, Bud Light Seltzer - yeah, but still no "Bro" - yet) but domestically at least, Budweiser's market share never came close to the "vast majority of beer drinkers" - peaking in the late 80s at around a ~27% market share, selling almost 50M bbl/yr. In 2001, Bud Light began outselling Budweiser, followed by Coors Light in 2011 and then Miller Lite more recently.

    AB started making deals with brewers in other countries (Labatt in Canada, Kirin in Japan) to brew Budweiser under license in the 1980s-1990s but obviously that has increased greatly after InBev bought the company. Many lists put Bud Light and the Chinese brand, Snow, as outselling Budweiser worldwide - although ABInBev has insisted that the Snow figures are for the "Snow family" of beers, so if ABInBev consolidated all their "Budweiser/Bud Light family" sales, they would outsells Snow.
     
  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    That was BBC's Samuel Adams Boston Lager's early claim to fame at the '85 and '86 GABF - along with much disagreement and conflict with other small brewers at the time.
    Koch would even trademark the phrase "The Best Beer in America" later in the decade.
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Mr. Koch? MeToo on line one for you...
     
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  8. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I was just making a joke (about volume of sales) ... but this snow brand, I’d never heard of them. Looks like they’re a China only brand? Huh.
     
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  9. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    How do you factor in price? How much do people drink for the alcohol?

    Connoisseurs or the not so much?
     
  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Free can really tip scales. :wink:
     
  11. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    They liked Woodstock with all the stars for free too. And it became legendary!
     
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  12. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, Woodstock tickets were $18 in advance and $24 at the gate, so imagine the mess it *really* could have been for free! :grin:
     
  13. bonsainut

    bonsainut Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 North Carolina

    I probably made the mistake of putting "best" in the thread title.

    I think a lot of people are confused about consumer behavior :slight_smile: What people think and what they do are two very different things. And what people think about a product versus what a product actual is or does is also very different. Just because a product has the highest market share does not mean it is the best-tasting. In fact, it does not even mean that it is better-tasting than an alternative that might be sitting right next to it on the shelf, and might be cheaper.

    As another example - let me point out California wines, which for years were considered sub-par to European wines in all judged events... until they started doing blind preference tasting. Suddenly California wines were found to be as good, if not better, than their European counterparts.

    And if you are really interested in product quality, you should ALWAYS do consumer research - even if your product fares poorly. Otherwise how do you know how your product stacks up versus the competition? Because you think it does?

    The reviews on this site, while interesting and entertaining, are not the same thing as blind consumer testing.
     
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  14. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Oh, I understand. I was just following up with the fact that Bud Light outsells it these days - which, depending on how one looks at it, is either:
    (a) an even bigger joke:grin:
    (b) a very sad reflection on the US beer market.:grimacing:
     
  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    :wink:
     
  16. mickyge

    mickyge Grand Pooh-Bah (4,232) Nov 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    A lot of times (all ) my mood goes way up drinking what I like.
     
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  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    There’s some BAs who I do take their input very seriously on different beers. But I don’t go and research the comments.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Oh hell ya, I’m having a problem remembering when popping a Pliny or Heady ruined my day. :slight_smile:
     
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  19. bonsainut

    bonsainut Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 North Carolina

    Or it could be a reflection on how much they spend on advertising, their NFL endorsement, their packaging, their heritage, how much shelf space they pay for, their lock on regional distributors, their promotions budget, their ability to buy up/buy out craft beers that they view as competition (aka Goose Island, et al)... I could go on and on.

    Note that nowhere in that list is "how good their beer tastes".
     
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  20. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    20+ years ago I used to host annual beer tasting BBQs at my house. Each year was a theme. Everyone was expected to bring one or more beers that followed the theme. We did Beers of the Pacific Rim, Beers Named after Animals, Battle of Britain II: beers of Germany vs. the UK, etc. We widely shared and did some blind tasting. Each set of beers in the blind tasting included the previous year winner and a ringer like MGD or Bud lite. No one had a clue what they were tasting. Some were experienced beer drinkers, others were newbies. Beers were scored 1-5. Every year each beer in the tasting had someone that gave it a 1 and someone gave the same beer a 5. For three years in a row the winner was Newcastle, not because it got the most 5's but because it got the fewest 1s and 2s. Keep in mind this was 20 years ago and the crowd was not predominantly buying craft beers from microbreweries, but the results demonstrated the wide diversity of beer preferences.
     
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