Trade Value Thread (2020)

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  1. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    I think the general consensus is a VR unit doesn't change based on the actual value of VR. VR unit will always represent $200. So a VR is worth .75 VR units? LOL
     
  2. libeerguy23

    libeerguy23 Crusader (478) Feb 19, 2016 New York
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    Is this real life?
     
  3. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    I ask myself this everyday.
     
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  4. bootdown21

    bootdown21 Savant (1,114) May 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    Yeah not too worried as its a gift for my buddy who is having his first child. So worst case I pay up for a nice bottle.
     
  5. mph005

    mph005 Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Texas
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    Would a Clover b1 get an SR71? Overkill || not enough?
     
  6. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Short answer... whatever you think the market will bear I guess. Quick example.

    I think it was roughly a year or so ago that Great Notion here in PDX released their first bottled BA pastry stout (BBDS). Great Notion is highly regarded out here (nationally as well I've been told), and everyone knew the bottle count was going to be very low. Of course no one had any idea if the beer was going to be any good, all the more so as this was the first BA stout Great Notion had ever made. On the other hand, regular DS (Double Stack) was highly regarded and in great demand, and the fact this was the first BA stout ever made by GN, also seemed to be an added selling point for some buyers/collectors. And as we all know, "rareness" has a special flavor all it's own. The local GN Facebook club started offering bottles to interested parties roughly a month prior to the release date. As I recall, the price per bottle seemed to fluctuate between $250 and $300 a bottle.

    When the beer was released, it turned out "not to be all that," and prices plummeted.

    All the more reason why I'm not a big fan of making an inflated offer on a new beer that hasn't been released yet, and for which there is no proven track record. But that's just me.

    Good luck.
     
  7. Hopelessly0

    Hopelessly0 Savant (1,099) May 13, 2019 California
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    Definitely not enough. Might need 2x Clover b1 to be close to SR-71. From my understanding, most people consider Clover b2 to be better too.
     
  8. TheNinthLetter

    TheNinthLetter Pundit (828) Apr 16, 2017 New York
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    anyone know any recent trades or trade values for the 3sons db nanner scoop or the cycle rare scoop that they released this year with the cuvee set?
     
  9. bootdown21

    bootdown21 Savant (1,114) May 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    Yes, VR unit is a fixed unit of secondary value. At least that is how I use it.
     
  10. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    This is why it's dumb to continue using VR units as a metric. They mean different things to different people, and every time someone uses this unit there's a renewed debate about whether it's a fixed value of $200 or whether it tracks the current actual value of VR.

    Can we stop this nonsense and just refer to dollars? That's what we're all trying to do anyway; we're just dancing around it by using a confusing term.
     
  11. bootdown21

    bootdown21 Savant (1,114) May 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    My understanding was that using actual dollars and secondary prices was frowned upon by big brother(s) and admins will flag your post for deletion.
     
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  12. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    I mean, it seems that it's not as big of a deal to throw out dollar signs these days. I see it all the time.
     
  13. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    A number of members in this thread have started doing that (listing a beer's secondary market price in dollars rather than in VR units), and I know personally I haven't had a problem with that. I get the impression that none of the other moderators have felt this is problematic either.

    I think we all know what the concern is. It's illegal to sell beer on BA, and the concern has been that questions about a beers dollar value on the secondary market will facilitate the resale of beer on this forum and/or on other sites. It would be very easy for someone to couch a thinly disguised attempt to sell beer as just an innocent attempt to ascertain the beer's dollar "value" in this thread.

    As I understand it, that's always been the concern on BA, and it's why I would still prefer to see members use the VR metric, no matter how cumbersome or inaccurate it may be. That being said, if from time to time members mention the dollar value of a beer on the secondary market when discussing what beer would trade for what, I personally can't see any harm in that.
     
  14. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    Thanks, @John_M, for your characteristically thoughtful and level-headed response. Good point about safeguarding against selling beer — I didn't mean to downplay that concern. From my perspective, though, I really don't see how allowing dollar values would increase the risk of buying/selling on this site. There are tons of Facebook groups in which it's exceedingly easy to buy/sell beer, so people who want to go that route can easily do so. (Note: I'm not endorsing this. I'm just saying that it's very easy to buy/sell elsewhere, and I therefore don't think anyone engaging in buying/selling would be inclined to do so on BA).
     
  15. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Would changing it to John m units be more agreeable ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
     
  16. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    I traded my Rare Scoop + 3 Sons Smortal Kombat for a 2020 Assassin + 2020 MT Ultra Coffee

    Unfortunately, the reality of the current beer "market" is that a lot of bottles discussed here move significantly more often in sales than they do trades. Is there any harm in using numbers without dollar signs? That's what the majority of other platforms where beer is discussed do. Or at least come up with an alternative to VR, which doesn't have a consistent meaning nowadays as referenced earlier since a Vanilla Rye is about 3/4 to 2/3 of a VR
     
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  17. Timx0r

    Timx0r Devotee (372) Feb 2, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Like everyone else I'm trying to land a SR-71. Would a package of 2019 and 2020 KBBS get the job done, or would I be better off trading these away for a different (non TG) anchor for the SR-71?

    It's a bucket list beer for a friend, and wants to move both KBBS.

    Feedback is welcomed
     
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  18. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    I would think you are there loking at values for a b2, but nost likely folks sitting on SR71 have had their fill of KBBS.

    Perhaps try to trade your KBBS for a couple diferent batches of BBT?
     
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  19. Timx0r

    Timx0r Devotee (372) Feb 2, 2019 Wisconsin
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    That's kind of what my thought was as well. Have been looking into what SR-71s have been trading for and trying to get a feel for the market. I'll keep checking what we can get for the KBBS and go from there.

    Appreciate the honest feedback
     
  20. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
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    Decent bourbon is relative. I think ECBP is really good, probably better than more desirable bourbons like EH Taylor and Weller but others would disagree.

    If you use the DB BCS as a anchor, something like Rock Hill Farms should be easy to obtain with the prop as a plus if you aren't too concerned about going over. DB BCS plus Birthday BCS is probably closer to the RHF but like I said and others discussed in prior comments, bourbon tax. Weller 12 is another option that the DB BCS might close 1:1 and EH Taylor Single Barrel should be an easy 1:1 with DB BCS. Not sure about Myster8.
     
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