Really missing Founders Curmudgeon. Are there any alternatives?

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  1. tjmicsak

    tjmicsak Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2020 New York

    Looking for recommendations on a good sub now that Founder seems to have retired their old ale for good.
    This one was brewed with molasses then aged in oak, which really to my pallet was the perfect full bodied, slightly malt heavy, sweet, but still balanced example of a great golden/dark amber delight.

    Imagine a Marzen on steroids.
    Such a shame to have lost this one to a trending fad of so many hop heavy IPA styles.
     
  2. Phoodcritic

    Phoodcritic Pooh-Bah (2,082) Jul 3, 2014 Michigan
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    I'd recommend North Coast Old Stock, Ayinger Celebrator, and Founders Backwoods Bastard.
     
  3. tjmicsak

    tjmicsak Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2020 New York

    Good suggestions, but while I am familiar with all three, they still fall a bit short.
    Just trying the Northcoast today as a matter of fact- which funny you should mention Ayinger, as the Northcoast seems to remind me more of a stronger German malt like EKU, or even a Samichlaus, rather than the sweeter and smoother Curmudgeon. I love the Backwoods Bastard too- which is a different animal. That one is also a treasure but has a more creamy vanilla and almost coconut suggestion to it. Every time I enjoy one I think immediately of a Mallow Cup- which I really like too. But then again the last Curmudgeon I had the other day was now two years old and the Northcoast I had today was a 2020 so maybe with some time to mellow they would be closer.
     
  4. crazyspicychef

    crazyspicychef Pooh-Bah (2,341) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Erie Ol' Red Cease & Decist. I love that stuff. Hard to come by in local store. Used to have on tap at local Pub.
     
  5. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Sounds like classic American oak flavors. Age will definitely soften that quality and gradual oxidization has a whole other effect that really can’t be achieved other than by time itself.

    While not really the same vein at all, Schneider Weiss Aventinus Eisbock has a good sweetness with an easy finish. Even the Aventinus Weisenbock is another great malt-driven strong(ish) beer. Although you’d be missing the oak characteristics, it’s not uncommon to find some old vintages of the Weisenbock as they occasionally send some out into distribution.
     
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  6. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Pooh-Bah (2,368) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe Traquair house ale could fill that void?
     
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  7. Patrick_OKC

    Patrick_OKC Devotee (393) Apr 26, 2017 Texas
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    I came across two 4-packs just a couple of weeks ago, grabbed them, and could not believe my good fortune. These were bottled in 2018, the last year they had in the lineup. I had emailed Founders about a month earlier after downing my last, and asked when they cycle back. They said maybe in the future. I am perpetually looking for it!
     
  8. stingray

    stingray Zealot (530) Jun 23, 2005 Wisconsin

    I always preferred Bell's Third Coast Old Ale and North Coast Old Stock Ale to Curmudgeon. I think they all drink better with a couple of years on them. You might also try JW Lees Harvest Ale, although it's going to be more costly, probably $7-10/bottle. There aren't many readily available analogues out there, though. Old Ales are harder to find than Scotch Ales. It's been a while since I had it but I found Curmudgeon atypical for the style, rather mellow and dry, others tend to have more dried fruit characteristics. Have you dabbled in barleywines? Especially the English side of the style?

    What did you think of the Better Half treatment of Curmudgeon?
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    With your first post, I was going to tell you that the flavor from the oak probably appealed to you and that you should look for any strong ale with oak aging that wasn't bourbon barrel aged... but such beers are becoming increasingly rare these days (hence your situation). But when I got to your other post and saw your reaction to Backwoods Bastard, it's clear that you should try more bourbon barrel aged strong ales rather than avoid them.
     
  10. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    Was just thinking that or Skull Splitter.
     
  11. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Avery makes Old Jubilation Old Ale in 6packs/12 oz cans for a very reasonable price and around that 8% ABV level like Curmudgeon so it’s easy to drink one in a sitting. I’m a huge fan of Curmudgeon and really miss it. The Avery product is a decent substitute IMO for a market without many options in this beer style.
     
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  12. tjmicsak

    tjmicsak Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2020 New York

    I enjoyed that one too- very good but not the same.
     
  13. AdmiralOzone

    AdmiralOzone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,352) Jun 26, 2014 Minnesota
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    I feel the OP's pain in that I was a lover of Curmudgeon and bought more than my share of Better Half as well (still have a fair amount in the basement). None of the others mentioned here are as good IMHO but North Coast Old Stock Ale with four or five years on it is a nice beer. Here's to hoping Founders brings back that grumpy old guy.
     
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  14. Casterbridge

    Casterbridge Savant (1,055) Mar 26, 2010 Connecticut

    I do agree if you put a few years on the North Coast Old Stock it gets closer to Curmudgeon. If you haven't had the Old Stock Cellar Reserve, I'd try that.
     
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  15. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    FWIW my 7th highest rated beer of all time was a 2013 vintage North Coast’s Old Stock Cellar Reserve. Absolutely delicious, and reasonably priced. I never had Curmudgeon, but I did have Better Half and found it a bit too sweet. Old Stock Reserve is not too sweet, but definitely complex and you can pick up the molasses notes
     
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  16. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    You beat me to it by a few seconds :joy:
     
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  17. nuplastikk

    nuplastikk Crusader (474) Aug 28, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Traquair stuff is awesome but expensive. Old Peculiar is quite nice too, not sure if it is still imported though. McEwans Scotch Ale perhaps?
     
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