Trade Value Thread (2020)

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by Michaelpro824, Jan 2, 2020.

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  1. Ckgibu

    Ckgibu Zealot (548) Jun 3, 2020 Hawaii
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    Honestly, as someone who trades whisky for beer, why do you start by identifying a handful of scotches you’re going after? Would help from a valuation perspective. Also, having traveled to Washington, I don’t blame you for trying this route, as your liquor tax is pure insanity. Seeing shops list both the msrp and the “Washington” price, makes me go from elated to finding rare whisky to WTF?! when the real cost is calculated lol. Your local distilleries rock, tho!
     
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  2. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I just saw this trade posted... somewhere and I really hate to see people get ripped off like this. I mean that must be around $130-200 worth of beer (depending on JK bottle size) on the American side, with a secondary value of close to $180-250, right? And all that for two bottles of Westvleteren 12 worth around 25€ secondary, the rest is so cheap and common that they might as well be extras.

    Seriously, that bottle of BCBS Northwoods should get the entire trade done by itself, or am I way off here?

    "I sent 3x BCBS 2017, 1x BCBS 2017 Northwoods, 2x Jester King 2020 SPON 3-year blend, 2x JK SPON Muscat.

    I will get 2x Westy 12, 1x Zundert 8, 1x Achel, 1x La Trappe Wit, 1x La Trappe Quad, 1x Orval, and 1x Chimay Reserve."
     
  3. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
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    I believe the JK spon bottles are 750 and the anniversary are 375 and 750 but it doesn't matter since Westy 12 can be found in DC and typically ordered online.
     
  4. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    The 3 Year Blend is available in both 375ml and 750ml bottles, not sure about the Muscat.
     
  5. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Northwoods doesn't have much, if any, secondary value in major cities and metropolitan areas. I'm fairly sure you could buy it to-go for the past year at the Goose Island Philly location until it closed recently.

    Either way, yes -- unbalanced. Really, really hoping that wasn't an international trade lol.
     
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  6. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    It was...
     
  7. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    I recently offered 10 bottles of beer worth over $200 retail value for 1 beer with $50 retail. The secondary on my side was double as well. It was a skewed trade in the other trader's favor, but for me they were beers I wasn't going to drink and was happy to trade.

    Those Goose Island & Jester King beers may be of value to some, but to others they may just represent beers that are taking space in their house that they aren't going to drink. The context of each trade matters.
     
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  8. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Well said. It's easy to innocently get too caught up in the secondary "value" of goods sometimes as if they're some kind of objective measurement, but the truth is that they're just guidelines based on what other transactions have occurred and are prone to fluctuate based on the particulars in each instance.
     
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  9. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    This isn't even about secondary, they are literally trading barrel-aged beers that retail for $20 (except the standard BCBS) for common Trappist beers that you can buy at any beverage shop for 3€ in Europe, with the W12 being the only exception here.

    Sure, whatever makes people happy, but I cannot help but feel that one party is being taken advantage of here.
     
  10. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    I agree its not about secondary. But if the trader was never going to drink the beers that were collecting dust in their house, wouldn't it be better to trade for something that they would drink? Take price out of the equation here.

    @Snowcrash000 I think your heart is in the right place, but maybe both sides of the trade left happy. In the end that is the only thing that matters.
     
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  11. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
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    I guess the allure of what was once considered the world's best beer would drive a trade like this or perhaps fomo. Having only recently peeked into a FB razzle group, I can understand that people are willing to overpay for stuff e.g. Westbrook coconaughty was available at the brewery with proxies and FB people were still buying it for an exorbitant secondary price
     
  12. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
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    Or perhaps as @Affinity noted both parties were happy - hopefully that was/is the case
     
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  13. Grave252

    Grave252 Initiate (0) Mar 12, 2017 Minnesota
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    Maybe a silly question for you experts, but what kind of trade value does Utopias have? For a beer or bourbon perspective.
     
  14. D09daryl

    D09daryl Crusader (446) Mar 11, 2017 California
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    I think it's retail & secondary value are about the same
     
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  15. jts211

    jts211 Savant (1,109) Aug 5, 2018 Pennsylvania
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    Want to gauge if this is a fair trade to both parties:

    HF Aaron 2016
    Eq/Bottle Logic Binary Elements
    Goose Island Birthday Bourbon County Brand Stout

    For

    TG Assassin 2018

    (3:1) is the proposed trade. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks Ba'ers!
    @luvtotri140
     
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    Last edited: Dec 21, 2020
  16. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    Seems fair to me....I would be happy to be on either side.
     
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  17. jts211

    jts211 Savant (1,109) Aug 5, 2018 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for the insight.
     
  18. Hopelessly0

    Hopelessly0 Savant (1,099) May 13, 2019 California
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    Personally feel the person giving away 3 bottles is giving too much. Assassin 2018 is the worst year of Assassin too. If it were for any other year of Assassin, it wouldn't be as bad. Just my opinion, I would want the Assassin side to add a small plus if possible.
     
  19. jts211

    jts211 Savant (1,109) Aug 5, 2018 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks Ba'ers. More feedback is always welcome!
     
  20. nmoe

    nmoe Zealot (510) Dec 18, 2015 Minnesota
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    Agree, some friends have said they are enjoying Orange Wax Assassin more with age, but I would strongly suggest going with 2016 (more dark fruit) or 2019/2020 (more chocolate and barrel).
     
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