RIP Summerfest

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  1. gyorgymarlowe

    gyorgymarlowe Zealot (662) Aug 24, 2019 Colorado
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  2. bsp77

    bsp77 Pooh-Bah (2,185) Apr 27, 2008 Minnesota
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    Yeah, this was assumed last year. But a session haze? Fuck.

    Curious about Wanderland and now Dankful is year round.

    Way too much haze in their portfolio now though. Looks like I will continue to drink less SN.

    Edit: and what is the difference between Fantastic Haze and a Big Little Thing IPA? Jeez.
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, Merry Christmas to you too. :confused:
     
  4. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, the elimination of Summerfest is not too surprising since there were a number of discussions on various BA threads that Summerfest did not sell well in 2020.

    It has been replaced by an IPA. Again, not much of a surprise here since the Sierra Nevada portfolio has become more and more hoppy/IPA centric over the past couple of years.

    A case of?

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  6. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    bah humbug
     
  7. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    Man, I hate to hear that. I saw a number of discussions here that it might not reach distro in 2021 due to poor sales in 2020. but I hoped there'd be a last minute reprieve. I've really enjoyed that beer each summer over the years - just a really flavorful, crisp pilsner that worked really well on hot summer days.

    I will refrain from comment about its replacement.
     
  8. JBogan

    JBogan Pooh-Bah (1,871) Jul 15, 2007 California
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    Not surprised and not happy. Oh well, life goes on.
     
  9. gyorgymarlowe

    gyorgymarlowe Zealot (662) Aug 24, 2019 Colorado
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    If 2021 is the year craft lager and pilsners take off, Sierra Nevada is missing the boat. Is this a case of big shelf breweries falling behind trends or are hazy beers still king? I get SN wanting to have some hazy beers in their portfolio, but to kill off Summerfest and Sierraveza right as there seems to be some growing demand for lagers seems a little bit odd.

    Incidentally, I don't see any Orta Vez in 2021.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Let's 'unpack' that a bit.

    In my area (Philly area) German style Pale Lagers (e.g., Helles, Pilsner) have been produced by local breweries for well over two decades (e.g., Stoudts, Sly Fox, Victory, Troegs...) and over the past few years by new small/local breweries (e.g., Root Down, Sterling Pig, Mainstay, Neshaminy Creek, Workhorse,...). So, in other words lots of competition for the Pilsner category. Maybe the sales of Summerfest was diminished in 2020 due to all of this competition?

    Are other areas of the country also experiencing more brands of beers like Pilsners from small/local breweries? If so, maybe craft beer drinkers are choosing to purchase their Pilsners from small/local breweries vs. the BIG brewery of Sierra Nevada?

    Needless to say that Sierra Nevada needs to make a business decision as to whether a certain brand, Summerfest in this instance, is still a worthwhile brand to produce. It would seem that they think a Session Hazy IPA will sell more units for them vs. Summerfest?

    I have asked this question before but I will ask it again: how many damn brands of IPA do we need on retailers shelves? Does Sierra Nevada need to have so many hoppy/IPA beer brands to be profitable?

    Cheers!
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW -- I got it from good sources that Summerfest sales has been down 5 years in a row. SN found it hard not to focus on what was selling, no matter what may look like trends.
     
  12. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    If Celebration sales ever trend down and are removed from their seasonal rotation, I will never drink Sierra Nevada again. I will launch my own brewery and brew nothing but Celebration. I will go bankrupt doing it, but it’s the right thing to do.
     
  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Summer fest and celebration are the only two beers i ever bought from Sierra Nevada. That’s disappointing.
     
  14. cid71

    cid71 Zealot (614) Mar 2, 2009 New Jersey
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    Well in the summer if I could get fresh kellerweis I could survive this.
     
  15. Riff

    Riff Pooh-Bah (1,673) May 12, 2016 Virginia
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    That just really sucks. Each passing year seems to see my purchases of SN decline, not because I don't want their products but they kill off the products I reliably purchased from them.
     
  16. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Screen name (kinda?) checks out.

    I think that @JackHorzempa raises some good points. Economies of scale work in both ways, its easier for a smaller brewery to brew a 5 barrel batch of a beer that doesn't move quickly than it is for SN to brew 500 barrel batch. Essentially, their opportunity cost is higher per batch they brew and they are thus incentivized to look more closely at sales velocity.

    But, it seems that this is just the circle of beer life. Sierra Nevada and the like arose because the market for many styles of ale wasn't large enough for the big brewers to bother with. If SN is now too large to bother with pilsner, or any other style, there will be myriad smaller brewers for whom that market is appealing and they will brew those beers
     
  17. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I thought Summerfest was a good lager for sure. Lots of other good pilsners/lagers I can find to replace it, but very few were as good at that price. Hopefully SN makes a few lagers during the year and stick them in a variety pack or something. Maybe its my imagination, but seems like the bigger brewers over the last couple years are trending towards less style variety in what they offer (all seem to be going IPA dominant), where locals/nanos seem to be expanding in style variety (at least in 2020/very near term). Anyone else seeing this or I'm not getting a good read on whats going on (or maybe its just localize)?
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    All this bad blood toward SN -- I feel like the whippersnappers are taking over.

    I'll try anything from them once because their brewing rep is stellar. Yeah, I'm disappointed about Summerfest, but hey -- it's on the consumers' shoulders too because it didn't sell. If they can't afford it, they have to adapt.

    Pale Ale will always be a go-to for me, and like I said, I'll always try their new stuff. Not gonna jump ship that easily.
     
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  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    But the McRib is back! :-)
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    No, you are not imaging things.

    Both Sierra Nevada and Stone are in competition to 'win' the new brewery name of IPA Brewing Co.

    i wonder who will 'win' here?:thinking_face:

    As a long term consumer of Sierra Nevada, buying their beers for decades, I fell like I am the loser here with their lack of diversity of beer style choices.

    Cheers!
     
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