Triple IPA ABV

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  1. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    We have seen a lot of beers being labeled triple ipa during this winter season. I know there is no definition for this style, but what do you expect the ABV of a triple IPA to be?

    I’ve seen several below 10% recently and even some below 9% still titled triple ipa.

    thoughts?? Is it disingenuous? Does it matter at all? Should we define this so breweries have to be held accountable? Or should we just not care and laugh when we pass by an 8.6% beer on the shelf labeled a triple ipa?
     
  2. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Yeah I’ve noticed this too over the last couple of years. I feel like when I/we joined BA, a triple IPA was a relative rarity, and meant an ABV that was reliably into the double digits.

    Pure speculation but I think this “new” lower ABV triple might be partially tied to the whole double dry hopped (DDH) phase. In the sense of some beers being labeled as triple (or even quadruple) dry hopped (nonsensical for sure).
     
  3. slander

    slander Pooh-Bah (2,568) Nov 5, 2001 New York
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    I would just call it an 'Imperial IPA' instead of trying to differentiate a 'Double IPA' from a 'Triple IPA' based on the ABV (the Brewers Association recognizes an Imperial/Double IPA as having a 10.6% ABV cap).
     
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  4. Jugs_McGhee

    Jugs_McGhee Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,140) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
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    It's disingenuous marketing gimmickry.

    They're all imperial IPAs.
     
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  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    So first of all, as far as BeerAdvocate is concerned, it's all Imperial, as @Jugs_McGhee pointed out.

    That said, if we are going to consider Belgian singles, strongs, dubbels, tripels, and quads as distinct, it's not unreasonable to consider an IPA as a triple (or even quad!) at some point.

    For me, that threshold is 10%. An IPA around ~9% ABV, regardless of the amount of dry-hopping, has no place calling itself a Triple IPA (IIIPA). That is an Imperial IPA (IIPA/DIPA), regardless of whether or not you accept Triple and Quad IPAs as a "thing." That's marketing, and nothing more.
     
  6. bret27

    bret27 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,064) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    I think I speak for everyone when I say anything under 10% is considered a “session IPA”.

    being serious though in my experience...
    >8% is double
    >10% is triple
    It’s a grey area though for sure, as with all beer styles.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    "We have seen a lot of beers being labeled triple ipa during this winter season."

    Those breweries seem to have made the decision that branding via "triple" will help them sell beers (and perhaps 'justify' higher pricing?).

    Cheers!
     
  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I am strongly in the camp of anything 8%+ is an Imperial IPA.

    All this Double, Triple, quadzillional labeling is just nonsensical horseshit.
     
  9. mogulskier

    mogulskier Zealot (690) Feb 3, 2019 California

    I am in agreement with most of the posts so far.

    Speaking for myself, Triple IPA's start at 10% IMHO.
     
  10. o29

    o29 Maven (1,275) Sep 29, 2020 Texas
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    Beers labeled double IPA span quite a wide spectrum from Lagunitas Sucks's 7.8% to Double Two Hearted Ale's 11%. By many descriptions here these beers should be considered single and triple IPAs respectively.

    It seems to me that the triple IPA label is a bit of a marketing gimmick, and the inconsistencies seen in ABV are partially caused by some breweries eschewing the label (as in Bell's Double Two Hearted).
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If the abv defines the increments between IPA, DIPA (Imperial), Triple, and quadruple, then here's a place to start at the high end: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/515452/

    Bell's Stupid Quadrupid, which was a recent release at the General Store, has a 15% abv and is likely as high as the abv can go without being outlandish. BA defines a regular IPA at 5.5% - 7.5% and Imperial at 7% - 12%. No definition exists for a Triple or Quad.

    To clean up the overlap of the IPA and DIPA at the 7.5 and 7.0 percent levels, let's say the IPA max is 7.5 (as it currently is) and then the DIPA should start there (plus 0.1 points to create a little difference). Then to create enough numerical room for the Triple and Quad the DIPA's maximum should be decreased from 12.0% to 11.0%. Then from 11.1% up to the 15.0% max for a Quad leaves 4.0 points for the Triple and Quad to split equally. So we end up with:

    IPA - 5.5% to 7.5%
    DIPA/Imperial IPA - 7.6% to 11.0%
    Triple IPA - 11.1% to 13%
    Quadruple IPA - 13.1% to 15%

    At least these levels will provide some guidance until some brewery says their Triple IPA is 10.9%!
     
  12. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    In my opinion, in order for an IPA to be a Triple IPA, it needs to be 14% or higher. Every style that has "Imperial/Double" attached to it starts at 8%. We just need to get rid of the American term "Double" and call all those high ABV beers "Imperial". So many of you consider an 8% IPA Double, but if it's 10%, it becomes Triple. Really? 2% ABV difference. Then why aren't we/they calling 10-18%+ Stouts Triple and Quadruple? Triple Stout, Triple Porter, Triple Red Ale, Triple Pilsener. Sounds stupid! Doesn't it? Even Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA says Imperial IPA on the label. And it's 15-20% ABV. Bell's Hopslam is 10% and it's an Imperial/Double IPA. Many others as well. Even if you triple dry-hop it, it's still an Imperial IPA that's been triple dry-hopped. I'm happy with the updated styles on here. No more "Double", just "Imperial".



    Enough with this gimmicky bullshit!
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    But but you mean I did all that math stuff for nothing? :sob::joy:
     
  14. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Other than ABV as a cut off, aren’t there other stylistic/characteristic aspects to consider? With these sorts of extreme beers (on the triple/quadruple end) you’re not going to have balance in the way you would with a regular IPA anyways. My personal preference for the big hoppy beers leans west coast—Pliny the Younger as the standard bearer—so for my ideal TIPA I’m thinking clean, hoppy, some sweetness (but not cloying), dry finish, intense bitterness, little alcohol. I don’t remember having any hazy TIPAs or QIPAs yet, and I’m not sure those would track with my palate preferences if, say, they were all aroma and no bitterness.
     
  15. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    All that said, back to the OPs point, I tend to use 8% as my DIPA cutoff, and double digits for TIPAs.
     
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  16. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    :thinking_face:
     
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  17. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    No, you did it to exercise your brain.

    That's something!
     
  18. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    This is kind where my brain has set up the boundaries too. 10% was when I thought breweries should start calling beer triple ipa
     
  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’d expect an ipa to be 10% abv or above before you start applying anything like the word triple to it. Dipa starts at 8 or so, IPAs I’ve seen 6% usually pushing into 7%. Marketing is what it is truth in advertising has always been grey.
     
  20. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Yes and because it is winter and there are seasons plus the virus I feel like it’s been a supply and demand thing too in that nobody** would drink a TIPA outside in a hundred degrees during golf but higher chance during times like this

    ** I know somebody out there will haha
     
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