Promoting Rare and Unrecognized Styles

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  1. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Does anyone think there is a means or appetite for BA to promote rare, obscure, emerging, and even perhaps extinct styles? Like say Gotlandsdrick, or Catharina Sour, there are so many, and who knows what might be over the horizon.

    Maybe a forum devoted to these styles.

    Maybe a special catch-all category that differs from BA’s recognized styles. Something that asks reviewers to provide their impressions, expectations, and recommendations.

    Maybe something that encourages deviation from conventional opinion and/or development of a consensus.
     
  2. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I think that I would be supportive of a Forum for the discussion of these rare, historical, obscure, emerging, and unrecognized styles - perhaps with a thread in it dedicated to each style that folks are interested in discussing.

    Unless there is some amount of groundswell and commercial versions available, many users will just not know what to do with it and it likely would not merit it’s own style on the site in my opinion.
     
  3. bluejacket74

    bluejacket74 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,305) Jul 4, 2005 Ohio
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    I believe on RB there's a "Traditional Ale/Other" category on there. Seems to be a catch all category for beers that might not quite fit anywhere else. Might be a good category to add on BA until we can really figure out a good place to put rare/historical beers.
     
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  4. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    That would be really cool to always keep the the rare/obscure beer styles. Perhaps if we changed the category to “Specialty/Obscure”. Then any specific beer styles that are rarely made in recent years could still be on the radar and have visibility. If a particular style becomes “hip” again and lots of brewers are making it again, it could migrate out of that category to appropriate category. Allow both beer consumers and brewers may actually be encouraged to make them if people are more aware). Craft beer makers and consumers love resurrecting rare styles, putting new twists on them... part of the chase right?
     
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  5. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Aside from personal interest is these styles, these two comments are precisely why I think some form of identification and promotion is worthy.

    Maybe, in addition to the review comments, we add an optional input field, to this catch-all style, for the review to suggest what style they think best applies.
     
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  6. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    I like this idea as a category--from which another style could emerge, if there becomes enough interest in brewing it. (I'm thinking of the way something like gose rose in popularity over the previous two decades as an example.) Personally, I find these obscure styles so fascinating, and love reading about them even if I will most likely never try most of them.
     
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  7. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    To follow up a little--since this seems like an appropriate place--

    About a year and a half ago I read an article by Martin Thibault about chicha de jora, a corn (maize) based spontaneously fermented drink from Peru. (Incidentally, he's the author of a few other articles on non-commercialized, historically obscured, regionally specific brewing traditions.) Inspired, in part, by this piece over the summer, I initiated a thread asking what is beer. A simple question, with some not so simple answers. Although opinions differed widely, my take-away was that beer as a category isn't easily defined simply by ingredients or even brewing processes. I hope those of you with an appreciation for rare styles might be sympathetic to this stance, even if it ultimately complicates categorical and stylistic definitions.

    This said, I'd like to advocate for a category, marker, or some sort of space for chicha, tejuino, and other corn/maize-based styles of spontaneously fermented beverages. Philosophically, I am generally not in favor of nation-based classifications, although I see their merit and historical value (i.e. Russian Imperial Stout, Baltic Porter), although this classification lends itself to a recognition of ingredients and methods indigenous to the Americas, north and south. Right now, it appears that chicha is included in BA under the Fruit and Field designation (per the listing for Dos Luces, in CO), placing their beers in the same company as Sam Adams Cherry Wheat and Magic Hat #9! I am not at all familiar with them or their brewing methods, but I wonder if another designation --or the inclusion of a secondary designation-- might better serve their, and our, purposes. "Rare and Undesignated," would serve this purpose, for the time being.
     
  8. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Another consideration...what good does it do to add rare/Obscure beer styles to Beer Advocate database if it only gets 1 rating in a year? I just entered a new Sam Adams nationally distributed / brewer on NYSE beer last light (Alpine Lager) so lack of ratings/reviews that is something to consider as well. I think a rare beer needs some buzz being made within a region or at least one big distro brewer also making an rare style to ensure people are rating and reviewing these beers.
     
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  9. HardTarget

    HardTarget Pooh-Bah (2,446) Mar 8, 2003 Texas
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    I like the idea of a "Specialty/Obscure/Other" style category to put things that don't fit anywhere nicely, or maybe a flag to put on a review to indicate that the beer doesn't really fit into the style indicated. Beers like Shiner Bock come to mind, where it is in no way a "Bock", although that's what it calls itself. It might help reorganize beers into these emerging categories.
     
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  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I can definitely agree with this concept especially for rare styles that don’t fit well with any of the BA currently defined styles.

    I disagree with this...if the brewer indicates a beer is a certain style and that beer does not match the description for the style there are a couple of options:
    1. Request the beer be moved to the most appropriate style
    2. Note in your review that the style the brewer indicates is not well represented by this beer.
     
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  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    #2 seems the most logical. If a brewer calls a beer "Style X" - for better or worse that's what it should be in the database. Reviewers can comment accordingly.
     
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