Evaporation Rate..Frothing...and..

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  1. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    Hello:
    I am new to the forum and just finished my second all-grain brewing a few days ago. I would like to share a couple of observations and get some feedback from the forum.

    My first observation is that there was not much evaporation of the wort from the initial boil to completion. Recipes typically have you account for at least a gallon or 2 loss and so have you prepare a pre-boil volume of at least 6.5 - 7 gal of wort for a 5 gallon batch, but I ended up with close to that pre-boil volume even after the boil. Anyone else experienced that? BTW my boil is just a rolling boil, which I what I assume we have to do.

    Second, this time around I added a Whirflock tablet and some yeast starter; I am not sure if this was the cause of a lot of froth that formed while I was transferring the wort to the fermentation carboy.

    Looking forward to some feedback from the community.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    At what elevation do you live?
    Can you please clarify what you mean here? Did you make a yeast starter to propagate yeast (i.e., grow up more yeast cells)? If so, when did you pitch your yeast into the primary?

    Cheers!
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Did you actually measure the pre-boil volume? Also, keep in mind that hops (and anything else) adding during the boil increase the total volume. And at boiling temps, the volume is actually larger, compared to what it will be after cooling.

    The best way to get a handle on your actual boil off rate is to boil a measured amount of water for some amount of time (say 30 minutes), let it cool, and measure again. Double the decrease in volume and you'll have a good estimate of your hourly boil off.
     
  4. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    Sorry, what I meant to say was "yeast nutrient" not a starter.
     
  5. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    yes, My kettle has gallon markings and I made sure I filled it up to 7 gals after sparging
     
  6. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    I live at sea level...and maintained a good rolling boil all through
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And you added that for the last 10 minutes of the boil?

    Cheers!
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Whirfloc and yeast nutrients can cause a tiny amount of foaming when added to the boil. But they wouldn't have caused the foaming you saw when transferring. That would have been caused mainly by proteins in the wort, the same kind that cause foam when you pour a beer. Note: it's not a bad idea to transfer gently and avoid the foaming. Those foam positive proteins are "single use only."
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another aspect that can impact the evaporation rate is the amount of surface area. A kettle that is more 'squat' will yield a greater surface area and an increased evaporation rate.

    The 'challenge' of the description of "rolling boil" is that it is subjective. What I consider to be a 'good' rolling boil may be more robust than what you think is a 'good' rolling boil.

    One of the benefits of maintaining a 'good' boil is that it encourages volatization (drive off unwanted aromas). One example is driving off SMN (the precursor of DMS).

    If you are not experiencing any off-flavors in your resulting beer your boiling is 'working'. Just be aware of the evaporation rate in your homebrewery to account for the proper volume going into your primary.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    Yes
     
  11. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    What is your heat source and what kind of kettle are you using?

    I am going to guess that your idea of a good rolling boil might not be exactly the same as my idea of a good rolling boil.

    Because, water boils at the same temperature, all things being equal. And even when all things are not equal water still boils at pretty much the same temperature. So your observations have a real explanation and it's not that textbook instructions are wildly miscalculated.

    The difference is the in the kettle shape and the amount of heat applied. So, if you are using an electric stove or a your kettle is tall and narrow, then you are not getting a real good boil.

    Cheers
     
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  12. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    what it says to me;
    the 2nd batch has not yet been 'dialed in' to the system
    there's a learning curve ... hang in there

    consult your notes
    adjust the pre-boil volume or the boil's duration and try again ...
     
  13. Desibull

    Desibull Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2017 Arizona

    You bring up a good point. My kettle is tall and narrow and I applied enough heat so I could watch the wort on top rolling over gently...I know this is subjective but do not know how else to describe it...I used a heavy duty Blichmann Hellfire so I could definitely crank up the heat if needed..so how else should I judge whether I am getting a good boil or not?
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If it's actually rolling, it's good. There is no need for a "jumping" boil. They key is to measure the rate so that you can use the right amount of water to hit your intended post-boil volumes.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is the answer to your decreased evaporation rate.

    Cheers!
     
  16. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    I use a Robobrew, which is also tall and narrow (12" diameter) and a bit underpowered. My boil-off is only about 0.6 gal/hr.
     
  17. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I am going back to what Vikeman mention, fill up your kettle with about 5 gallons, get it boiling and let it boil for an hour. Stop, chill to room temp, and know your boil off rate after measuring again.
     
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  18. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    to a 1st approximation; try measuring the post-boil volume ... reduce it by 4% ... and be done with it
     
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