Phase Three Brewing (2021)

No, if we're being honest, it would be a real shame if they did allow proxies.

Had proxies been allowed, people from Alaska to Florida would have been signing up; and you might not have been early enough on the list to get your membership.

 

Originally, sure. Now, not really.

Flexibility is a valuable tool for businesses, and there's a reason that most big memberships either allow proxies outright or have transitioned to it. I always chuckle at members who shake their fist at the sky when proxying is suggested, and tell P3 how noble it is to never give up on the proxy-less utopia.

 

So, proxies are bad when it helped you get your membership, but now proxies are good because you can’t have anyone pick up your beer after moving to ATL without them.

If you were objective and looking at more than what helps you out personally, many of us locals who aren’t members would prefer not to make getting into the membership a nationwide contest and there is no benefit to the brewery to allow proxies for out of town members when the demand for membership on a local level vastly outstrips the availability.

 

Ad hominem arguments buttoned up with a statement about objectivity. You hit the jackpot on that one bud.

Using no proxies originally is valid to try to garner local support, but the value diminishes over time because you can be confident your members are people who supported you originally (even if they move away). On top of that, I've seen enough people selling their member beers to know that the real "local benefit" is being able to make money off P3 because you live close by. Im sorry you didn't get a membership, but me arguing for proxies isnt some affront to you and your Chicago-given right for Phase 3 Membership. Maybe crack a cold one and lighten up, bud

 

Question regarding memberships......is it normal for the brewery to give first dibs to the prior year’s members?

In this case, if you weren’t lucky enough to win in the original lottery, your basically out of luck for the foreseeable future? Doesn’t seem like a good way to promote/grow your product.

 

I don’t think you know what ad hominem means. If I called you names then you would be using that phrase correctly, but I am merely pointing out your weak and unsupported arguments that seem to center on your changing opinions centered around your personal situation. This is a beer forum where you gave your opinion that proxies are both good and bad and what you said sounded, to more than just me, like you want to pull up the ladder and make it harder for locals to get in now that you got your membership and are no longer a local.

How exactly does “value diminish” over time in a no proxy situation when they are not expanding the number of members and no one drops out? Seems like there is a steady hold in the need for no proxies there. Locals who are still here are more important to the brewery than “original supporters” as taproom draft sales are what keeps a brewery in business without a vast distribution network. The brewery has no incentive to tell all the locals to pound sand while they fill the membership with people around the country who will never step foot in the taproom.

As to the selling member bottles thing, I have heard from a few Ambassadors that is a big no-no and would result in the member losing their spot. Maybe instead of using someone’s bad acts to try to make an argument here that locals don’t matter, you report them to Shaun so the membership isn’t populated with a bunch of flippers?

Anyways, you don’t sound defensive AT ALL by the “pal” and “bud” and “lighten up”.

Maybe realizing that you don’t have to take it personally when people don’t agree with you on a beer forum (or any social media) will help you out.

 

It wasn't a lottery, it was first come first serve entering out a form.

First right to renew for current members is a benefit of almost every beer membership I've ever seen.

 

You make it too fun not to keep going, lets rumble:

1. An Ad Hominem is an attack on the person rather than the position. The statement "If you were objective and looking at more than what helps you out personally" is a textbook example. Nice try, better luck next time.

2. The idea of starting a membership with no proxies is to find locals who supported from the beginning, and giving them an opportunity to invest in the brewery by fronting costs for barrel programs and yielding benefits later. The value diminishes in maintaining proxies because those people have demonstrated commitment to the brewery early, and you dont need to verify that commitment later on.

3. You will never find a member dumb enough to sell bottles themselves, they use proxies. I see tons of them being sold, never by a member. Nothing I could possibly do.

4. Those terms arent defensive, more patronizing; i.e. I think your arguments are bad

5. I don't take it personally, but I like to argue and do so when I think I have a defensible stance. In this case, I think the argument that proxying should be allowed is legitimate. I know it isnt going to happen, and I understand P3 has decided to stick with it (as is their right which I respect), but I still disagree.

Happy to keep going if you'd like, amigo <3

 

Yeah Eagle Park triple fruited sour pushed back to next week (or was on Oznr prematurely)

 

Didn’t read the whole row, but I side with deadWax. NO PROXIES. EVER.
If you pull out Latin, I pull out the Queen’s English.

 

I like you, you seem more fun than that other guy.

 

'Demonstrated commitment to the brewery early' by filling out an online membership sign-up the fastest based on a social media post?

 

Yes, and the waitlist is approximately 1500 people from what I've heard.

 

That's by far the weakest part of my argument, I agree. P3 is unique because Shaun already had such a strong built in following that he easily could have filled a membership three times, as apposed to other great memberships that grew organically (Side Project, Pips, etc.). My guess is this is why they don't feel any urge to allow proxies for member, and as I've said its very fair for them to do that.

My point was never "its an abomination that proxies aren't allowed." I was more pointing out that it wouldnt be illegitimate or wrong to do it for people who had been a part of the membership for a year. But somewhere in the anger and my annoying wordiness I think that got lost.

 

So circa 2149...I might just have a shot!

 

At 98% renewal rate with a long waitlist I can’t see a viable argument for proxies. Another benefit of this program is 2 bottles of each which promotes trading and gives others the chance to enjoy these spectacular beers.

 

Two bottles of each release also makes sharing a membership an option.

 

Hear, hear!
(psst. hey, where am I on your waitlist?)