Help with angry yeast beers.

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  1. imnodoctorbut

    imnodoctorbut Savant (1,044) Feb 19, 2016 Texas
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    okay so I grabbed a variety sixer that was packing three Gulden Draak variants with a Piraat and two Pennsylvania takes on Belgian brews - in other words, different breweries, which I assume means not a brewery-related problemo - and each of the bottles had this horrible/depressing near-chemical flavor spike at the end. Being a casual homebrewer with mounds of failure to compare off tastes to, this struck me as an angry yeast problem, but every time I use the google machine, I can't find anything matching my experience, and I can't imagine them being subjected to high temps this time of year, even down here in Tejas. I know it can't be that uncommon, as I had a pack of Russian imported stouts that had a similar chemical/harsh/angry yeast type bite - to boot, I've had plenty of Draaks and Piraats and know damnwell that this isn't the usual.

    so, anyone have any idea what gives? honestly just curious, but if anyway has a remedy to recommend so I don't have to toss the two Draaks I held onto, I would be forever grateful.

    thanks and Prosit!
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The way this is worded, it sounds as if you are drinking the beer direct from the bottle, rather than pouring it in a glass. I'd say "Don't do that," especially if the beers are bottled-conditioned and/or have visible sediment in bottom - pour into a glass, and carefully at the end leave the "stuff" behind.
    Kinda depends on how long ago they were bottled, shipped, warehoused and sat at the retailer, though, doesn't it?
     
  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Your description is so close to the Van Steenberge sampler pack that I have to wonder if you are slightly mistaken. That pack has 3 Gulden Draak branded beers, Piraat, Monk's Cafe Grand Cru, and Augustijn.

    If that's what you have, then perhaps the Monk's Cafe name threw you off regarding the origin of those beers. They are actually all from the same Belgian brewer. Your initial thread title mentioned "skunk." Those beers would not be skunked. Either you have an old (or mishandled) pack, or you're picking up on a common production trait (be it intentional or a brewing issue), or your taste perception is a bit funky at the moment. I don't mean anything bad by that last part. When I have a variety of beers that all seem similarly off to me, the most likely cause is my palate on that particular day.

    If you don't have the Van Steenberge sampler pack but have a prepackaged variety pack with 4 Van Steenberge beers and 2 Pennsylvania beers (which would be really weird), then it would have to be one helluva coincidence for it to be a brewing issue. It's more likely that it would either be your palate or the age of the beers... and with a prepackaged variety pack made up of beers from various brewers, my first assumption is that it's old stock.
     
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  4. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    what is "angry yeast?" Is this a new phrase?
     
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  5. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    I agree with @zid it sounds like the van Steenberge pack unless it's something the retailer made up on their own. If that was the case it was likely composed of out of date/poorly stored beers from other unsold or broken packs.

    Did you “top off” your glass from the dregs of the bottle? You might have ended up with a couple of swallows of dead yeast.
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Why is it a bad thing to drink the floaties from a Belgian beer, but it’s ok for a big DIPA? I drink floaties with no problem with hoppy beers. I’m not a Belgian guy, so I’m curious.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The 'floaties' from Juicy/Hazy beers are composed of protein/polyphenol complexes. If you vigorously pour a Belgian Ale that is bottle conditioned into a glass those 'floaties' is spent yeast. You are 'allowed' to drink whatever you want but those are two different types of 'floaties'.

    When I pour my homebrewed beers which are bottle conditioned I pour very carefully and leave behind 1/4 inch of liquid and sediment (yeast). I do not want 'floaties' in my beers.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Ah, there you go sounds reasonable to me.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Dale, this lady will teach you how to properly pour a Belgian Ale (Duvel in this instance). She even teaches you how to say 'pfft' as you pop the cap.

    Cheers!

     
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  10. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Always remember to put on your safety glasses before opening a Duvel:slight_smile:
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe by saying out loud "pfft" when popping the cap this mitigates the danger!?! :stuck_out_tongue:

    Cheers!
     
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  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’ve never had a Duvel. I bet I could count the number of Belgian beers I’ve had on one hand with room to spare, not counting Lindemans.
     
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  13. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    You need to get out more :wink:
     
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  14. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
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    I'm a bit of a pacifist. I'd start by trying to talk about it. Get to the bottom of why the yeast is angry. Did you mistreat it? Was it something you said? Perhaps its emotions have been all bottled up, and this was just the breaking point. Maybe it just got a little heated.

    The important thing is to not throw blame, don't point fingers, just try to sit down and calmly assess the problem until you both reach an understanding.
     
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  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I enjoy the floaties in Belgians, except the one time I tried Kwak; they were cornflakes sized and really turned me off. I drain poured it so I don't know what "they" tasted like.
     
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  16. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    GI distress?
     
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  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Maybe? I drink floaties with no problems from Heady.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    But that ain't yeast Dale.

    Up to you whether you want to 'experiment' here! :grimacing:

    Cheers!
     
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  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Ones protein, ones yeast, so yeast is a living thing, and it’s indigestible? Comfortably at least,
     
  20. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Heady floaters arent yeast, that’s what I was implying that the yeast-heavy sedimentation in Belgian beers is GI distress inducing for some.
     
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