Trade Value Thread (Q1 2021)

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  1. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    What vru is minutiae
     
    #161 Thirst_trappist, Jan 30, 2021
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  2. nchan50

    nchan50 Crusader (459) Aug 15, 2017 New Jersey
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    One-ish I believe
     
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  3. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    Minutiae is going for 1.5 vru on the lower end in trades. I would think a small plus on your end in the 50-100 range gets it done. BA bananaversary is a really nice anchor for that trade. Good luck.
     
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  4. nchan50

    nchan50 Crusader (459) Aug 15, 2017 New Jersey
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    Thanks!
     
    #164 nchan50, Jan 30, 2021
  5. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Savant (1,064) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
    Society Trader

    Anyone have any insight on the current trade value of the last batch of Coconut Medianoche?
     
    #165 TurkeysDrinkBeer, Jan 30, 2021
  6. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Well, you saw my earlier post, so you know I agree with you about jumping over the moon trying to obtain it via a trade. The beer is made every year in reasonable quantities, so I think it's crazy to be trading a bottle of fou for it. It shouldn't take that to land a bottle IMHO.

    I've had numerous Fat Head IPA'S over the years, and while they were all also WCIPA's, I felt they had little in common with Younger. So I don't agree that buying a bottle of hop juju (for example) is going to give someone a comparable experience. In my experience, it's very difficult to make a high abv. DIPA/TIPA, without making a hot, boozy, sweet malty mess. I can count on one hand the versions I've had that managed it, and for me, Younger remains at the pinnacle of that list (Boneyard and Hill Farmstead are the only other breweries that have made a TIPA comparable to Younger in my experience).

    That being said, it does seem to be a different beer every year, and I know I wasn't head over heels in love with the 2019 version (the last time I tried it). Still, it's a pretty damn good TIPA even in "off" years, and in good years I consider it to be the gold standard when it comes to TIPA'S. I can see why someone who has never had it and has always wanted to try it would be excited about the opportunity to land a bottle in a trade. Maybe they'll be disappointed when they try it, but I've read enough glowing reviews and posts on BA to know that there's an equally likely chance that they'll be very happy they made the trade.

    My point being that I don't think it's realistic or fair to tell someone to just grab a bottle of a good WC DIPA off the shelf if they want a comparable younger experience. I think that would be like telling someone to just grab a bottle of BCBS if they want to see what it's like to drink KBBS. My guess is that that's probably not something someone bent on obtaining a bottle of KBBS wants to hear.
     
    #166 John_M, Jan 30, 2021
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  7. c-rum

    c-rum Savant (1,179) Apr 13, 2013 Missouri
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    Looking for some MWND. I have Blantons (reg), WFP SP and W12. Looking for advice on ratios for each.
    Cheers!
     
    #167 c-rum, Jan 31, 2021
  8. Hoppedelic

    Hoppedelic Savant (1,065) Dec 6, 2010 California
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    Thanks for your guys help earlier, I now realize even thinking about trading any amount of Younger for a BBT is way out of line. Would it be more reasonable to try for a 2020 BCBS Birthday or Anniversary? What would the ratios look like for that trade? I’m more into BA stouts these days and have had Younger many times. Thanks!
     
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  9. Hoppedelic

    Hoppedelic Savant (1,065) Dec 6, 2010 California
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    I made an offer of 2 Youngers 1 Pliny and 1 Happy Hops for a Bday and an Anny. Is that close to fair or would I need to add? I’m just trying to dial in what the value of Younger is. Thanks!
     
    #169 Hoppedelic, Jan 31, 2021
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  10. Jillh929

    Jillh929 Initiate (146) Oct 23, 2019 California
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    I’m looking for similar info for on PTY. What would the ratio of PTY for BA Abraxas look like?
     
    #170 Jillh929, Jan 31, 2021
  11. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    You’d be looking at Blantons+ : mwnd, W12 : mwnd+, and WFP SP : 2x mwnd+. The plus would be fairly small in each case.

    mwnd is worth chasing... good luck!
     
    #171 sjguglielmo, Jan 31, 2021
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  12. Jdub2839

    Jdub2839 Pundit (804) Mar 15, 2014 Florida
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    Whats a good trade ratio of Tree House to Angry Chair BA Snowball?
     
    #172 Jdub2839, Jan 31, 2021
  13. c-rum

    c-rum Savant (1,179) Apr 13, 2013 Missouri
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    @sjguglielmo Thank you I appreciate the feedback.
     
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  14. Averywarybear

    Averywarybear Crusader (441) Sep 27, 2017 California
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    Would BBT b3, coconut convergence and BA macaroons before dying be enough to land a WLW?
     
    #174 Averywarybear, Jan 31, 2021
  15. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    That's not quite what I was saying.

    What I'm saying is I've had them fresh, on draft, side by side, and despite having strikingly similar flavor profiles, Hop Juju came out on top. We were at a horseshoe bar in Philly where everyone was openly providing their feedback and the consensus was almost unanimous.

    It just so happens that Juju can be found on shelves seasonally with much less hype.

    With Head Hunter rumored to be an Elder clone, it's no wonder Elder came out in front of both Younger and Juju for me in the same draft side by side, considering increasing ABV in IPAs isn't something that usually improves the experience for me, and both Juju and Younger have an assertive booze presence. And for the record, I've been even less impressed by Hill's high ABV IPAs, which is probably my favorite IPA producer in the country otherwise.

    Not everyone has excellent WCIPA producers nearby, but most people do, and Fat Head's provides an ample touchpoint for us Ohioans. However, Younger as the KBBS to WCIPA's BCBS just isn't even remotely a valid comparison. I'm trying to bring it back down to earth here, and you're working very hard to push it back into the stratosphere. Granted it was a unicorn at its inception, but there's nothing magical about Younger anymore. The only way to truly see this is to come in to the tasting with a level head, which I've observed to be very hard to do when you finally get to tick an old money whale after going hard for it, or else to do side by sides with other comparable IPAs.
     
    #175 Sabtos, Jan 31, 2021
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  16. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    You are not even half way there. I think you would have trouble closing any BTAC with those three tbh. You will need a much bigger anchor, or multiples of BBT caliber beers for the WLW. Even then you will have to have some variety of beer or go way over on your end. Last WLW I saw close for BBT3 had the plus as TWCP Maman. I have seen recent offers of BBT 18-20 not close WLW. Hope that helps.
     
    #176 Affinity, Jan 31, 2021
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  17. Ckgibu

    Ckgibu Zealot (548) Jun 3, 2020 Hawaii
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    WLW is going for around 1200 secondary. While all excellent beers, I think you have a few things going against you:
    1) General mistrust of remaining BBT3’s out there, which hurts any trade where that is your anchor.
    2) WLW’s insane inflation over last couple years. I bought a WLW 2y ago for 650, and each year it continues to climb faster than any BTAC or even Pappy for that matter. Hard enough to trade for it with solid whisky anchors, let alone beer.
    3) General perception of Horus outside of California. While I cannot speak to it’s more recent releases, and I do see how high Coco convergence is rated, the hype behind Horus has tanked compared to what it used to be, likely after a few less than impressive releases. Fair or not, it’s what the market is currently.

    That being said, you never know if you have the right combo to matchup with someone’s ISO. Wish you luck, dude!
     
    #177 Ckgibu, Jan 31, 2021
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  18. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    Tree house allows proxy's now so anyone who wants it could offer a box of thank you beers for tree house. It's unclear from your post if you are talking about the stouts or IPAs, but from an IPA perspective I doubt this closes for anything short of 2 cases since people can just buy it themselves. Basically, it would be easier to find another route. Hope this helps.
     
    #178 Affinity, Jan 31, 2021
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  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    What you said exactly is this:

    At least to me, that seems like a pretty close approximation to what I said:

    That being said, if it's reached the point that we're arguing over semantics and whether examples used in an analogy are sufficiently apt, then it's probably best that we both agree that we're not going to agree on this.

    At this point, I think the OP is aware that there are some people who still think Younger is something special (myself and many of the reviewers on BA), while others feel that there are a number of breweries (Fathead's being one) making comparable DIPA's/TIPA's these days (you and some of your friends). I hope that's a fair summarization of your position. Maybe he'll agree with you and decide it's not worth the time and bother to obtain a bottle (assuming he has access to good WCIPA's where he lives).

    Personally, it would be my recommendation that the OP try Younger himself and reach his own conclusions about the quality of the beer, and whether there's really anything unique about the flavor profile.

    Lastly... I didn't mean to be dismissive of the IPA's made by Fatheads, but it sounds like you and I just have different tastes when it comes to what we enjoy in a WCIPA. Frankly, I wish I had a local brewery where I live that I felt was making a DIPA/TIPA almost indistinguishable from Younger (Boneyard's Notorious comes the closest, but the beer has become very inconsistent since they expanded their brewing capacity). So in that regard, it sounds like you and your friends are much more fortunate than I. Cheers!
     
    #179 John_M, Jan 31, 2021
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  20. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    How far is baigccs from landing a BBT 4
     
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