Stayers and Leavers

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by snaotheus, Mar 1, 2021.

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  1. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I'm curious. For those of us who have been here a while (especially a substantial while)...we may not think much about it, but there are reasons we stay. What are they?

    And for those who have left...well, you've left and you're probably not going to respond to this thread, but some of you probably had some residual connection with some member who is still here. For the connections still here...why do you think your friends left?

    For me...why am I still here? Some of it is that I'm invested. Thousands of reviews, thousands of posts...at least for the reviews, I value that content, and I go back to it. Beyond that, I have trouble finding in real life the depth of passion for beer that I find here.

    For my friends who created accounts and left...well, I think mostly they created accounts because I was an active member, not due to their own intrinsic interest. It was not enough to sustain real participation. Beyond that...at least one active member I enjoyed interacting with (and hoped to one day meet in person) was banned, but I don't know why. Not saying it was or wasn't warranted, I just have no visibility to whatever happened.

    What about you?
     
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  2. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Alcoholism...

    In all seriousness, this site provides a format I'm familiar with and a forum full of regulars that I've grown to trust. Additionally, this site emphasizes the respect of beer more so than other apps and sites. Furthermore, all of the up-to-date beer news I could want is on the front page. And it really is as simple as that. I'm celebrating my 10 year anniversary of BA membership this year and I couldn't be more happy about that fact.

    Edit: Not to mention the most extensive and reliable database of beer reviews in existence IMO
     
  3. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I'm still reviewing beer, so there's one reason. :wink:

    Believe it or not, that matters, too, as BA provides a near-unique format to log, review, and share a commodity - and it just happens to be beer. I review food, wine, cigars, and music (not professionally for any of them), but this is the one site where the process of reviewing, discovering, and sharing is intuitive and comprehensive. In other words: it works, almost exactly how it should.

    As long as I'm still discovering and reviewing new beers and places, BA will always be a good place for me. I also am a bit of a completionist, so helping to maintain the database is oddly fun for me, and that work helps others.

    Of course, the community is another reason. You can find "your" community anywhere, and it doesn't need to be in one spot; you can have more than one. I happen to have made some online friends here, and I enjoy the discussions more than just posting a picture of a beer in WBAYDN?. And since beer is a never-resting commodity (and we are always experiencing beer that is at least new to us personally, if not necessarily new to the world), there is always fresh content to discuss - which is not true for every online community.
     
  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I joined this site back in March of 2016 - actually March 5th will be 5 years on here. For me, craft beer, and reviewing craft beer, is one of my hobbies these days. So for me, a big part of it is reviewing beers (I've always liked and preferred the reviewing process here to other options out there). Another part of it has always been the lively forums both in beer talk and locally in the Great Lakes forum. We have a lot of active users in the Great Lakes forum, so I really enjoy being active over there. Honestly, since I joined, there hasn't been a point at which its even crossed my mind to not be active on here.

    As for the "leavers" at least two of my friends have accounts on here and have been active to varying degrees over the years. Both are essentially no longer active on here due to changes in life circumstances. Both are still into craft beer, but for different reasons just don't have the time or interest in being active on here these days. In both cases it had nothing to do with BA per se, just the time available in general. Sure this is anecdotal, but I'd hazard a guess that its a decent representation of a lot of people who move on from active participation around here.
     
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  5. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    Joined in Dec 2015, first thing is it’s hard to believe over five years have passed.

    I am a stayer, or a faithful member for plenty of reasons. To be honest, I always somehow loved beer but BA provided something unique about it. Beers to review, a number of sub-forums to discuss it, trade with some and the occasional WBAYDN? banter or chit chat with some I consider friends now (only one I actually met IRL, plenty of others I like). Special mention to NBS/NBW which I don’t use as much.

    There’s always new beers being released and to seek out, so unless life circumstances I don’t think I’d leave and even then it’d probably be temporary.

    It’s a fine place to be. As said before almost everybody here has always been agreeable.

    Leavers? I can think of a few that I won’t name that had children in recent years, might still be drinking a tad bit, hopefully we get to see them back when their toddlers are hitting puberty. :wink:

    Cheers.
     
  6. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I've stayed, because, for its flaws and quirks, BA is the Funnest Place on the internet for beer. I'm also a knife nerd, and, I will tell you that the knife forums are not overly fun to hang out at.

    I've never been a street car nerd (I do love race cars though) but I bet those forums are more fun than the knife forums. I'm no metallurgist, but, I'd enjoy talking about various types of Stainless Steel as much as I do the multitude of hops here. The knife forums? Thems some humorless bastards.....
     
  7. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I am a stayer, despite not being able to enjoy beer nowadays, for the strange reason I get to read about beer I love in a way that is as close to enjoying it as possible. Reviews and descriptions by people as passionate about fine beer as am I are what keep me going. I am still at the point I don't socialize with other beer drinkers when beer is involved (too tempting), so this is as close to beer socializing as I get. I bet I'm the only "stayer" with this reason.

    My other main hobby is mushroom picking/edible plant foraging, and thankfully neither health nor COVID did a thing to curtail that. I wish there was a site for mushroom info and community as excellent as BA.
     
  8. Premo88

    Premo88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,670) Jun 6, 2010 Texas
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    I came for the beer, stayed for the whisk[e]y. :wink:

    BA.com is far and away the best website on the internet is why I stay. The main reasons it's No. 1:

    1. The beer review database and review system is perfect. The Brothers Alstrom take it very seriously and have been good shepherds of it because they wisely understand it's the foundation of the site.

    2. The WBAYDN and New Beer Sunday/Weekend threads surely are the best virtual bar on the planet. I've learned as much about music as beer through WBAYDN, and the people I've virtually met through NBS/W are amazingly kind, thoughtful and contagiously enthusiastic about beer.

    3. Now that I've gotten so much into whisk[e]y, I've stayed very active on BA.com because of the "Other Beverages" forum, where I've learned a ton about my new favorite hobby thanks to some of BA.com's brown-drink folk.

    Every hobbyist should be so lucky as to have a site like BA.com.
     
  9. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    Mostly to bitch about pastry/milkshake/hazy/kettle soured beers and reminisce about classic styles :wink:
    But Also to get news about breweries, new releases, check scores and reviews.
     
  10. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    I stay because beer is a big part of my life. Liquid bread. The bread of life.

    BA also stays pretty well focused at it's core -- beer, food, friendship, unlike other social media sites that can just go all over the map with topics about things I could care less about.

    Yep, BA and my personal life go hand-in-hand.
     
  11. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I joined in 2014. I was 22. I joined to gain knowledge to try to get into the brewing industry from cooking but that never worked out. I guess I stayed for the conversation. I was gone a few years but I came back idk the reason but I’m here occasionally. I drink a lot less now. Work a ton. There are several people who aren’t around anymore I remember being big posters but things happen.

    I have other hobbies like my side hustle of fixing cars, food, tattoos (some here know I’m covered heavily) but right now my job is to provide best I can and make sure some children grow up proper and safe. I’ll be around.
     
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  12. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Been here since 2014 with a couple of “sabbaticals” here and there, even going as far as deactivating my account temporarily. I enjoy the discussion and reading others’ reviews. The time I spend ebbs and flows depending on other responsibilities (older parents & in-laws, 4 kids, work, church, etc.). The forums are what keep me around and active.
    I left for several months due to some heated discussions in the Founders lawsuit and other diversity-related threads. I’ve even been accused of not being “qualified” to express an opinion on such matters (hence my current avatar). Cheers to @Todd (and the mods) for cleaning things up, taking the issue seriously, and more recently, putting a spotlight on Black-owned breweries. I have noticed a difference in the tenor of those kinds of discussions and BA feels like a more welcoming place as a result.
     
  13. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I was originally drawn in to Beer Advocate because I got to the point where I had tried enough beers that I could no longer remember if a beer was familiar because I had tried it or just because I had seen it, and I couldn't remember if I had enjoyed or disliked some beers. So, just keeping track was what sucked me in, and I still heavily rely on that.

    After initial annoyance, I found I liked the (then mandatory) review process of sitting and paying attention to beers I tried and formulating words about the experience. I still really enjoy that. As of last year, I also enjoy the NBW thread for that purpose, and seeing more real-time thoughts from people with more knowledge and better palates (and different beer availability).

    Last year I finally started really participating in the forums, mostly due to pandemic shut-in syndrome, and it's become something of a social outlet.

    I was attracted to the WBAYDN thread primarily as "beer ****" and while I can rarely spare the attention to engage fully, I enjoy the virtual social aspect of it, too. It's also an excuse to play around with my camera. I get a lot out of the What Northwest Beer Are You Drinking Now, too, more in the "what's happening in my neck of the woods" than the beer ****.

    I stumbled into the beer + whisk[e]y pairing thread, and I love that, too. Besides being delicious and fascinating, it's slower than WBAYDN and much easier to engage in.

    I use Beer Advocate to research and plan trips (I am primarily a beer + food tourist), to guide beer shopping when out of my regular market, and to learn about what's new and interesting in the beer world (and what's old and traditional, and everything in between).

    As I start thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I spend more time on Beer Advocate than any other website, and that has been more or less true for a very long time. I get a lot out of it. Beer is a huge part of my life, and there's no better community around it than here, I think.

    Thanks all for your thoughtful answers (and also contributing to this community).
     
  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I don't recall how I found the site but been here going on 16 years. I signed up to learn a bunch about beer, and I'm sticking around to learn another bunch. There's a maturity in the forums that keeps me interested, and I really use the Places feature whenever I'm going to plan a trip.

    I look at it from a give-and-take approach. I try to leave a little knowledge by writing Place reviews, some beer reviews, and add a modest number of new places.
     
  15. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    The reviews are what brought me here. My joining here was prior to Untappd's soaring popularity, or InBev's purchase of another review site. Over time, my reasons to stay have varied: to learn about beer, review beer, participate in NBS, participate in BIFs, and discuss NA beer / coffee. Here lately, those reasons have been whittled down to reviewing beer and discussing NA beer.

    As for leaving, I've taken some 'sabbaticals', more often than not the reason being is the echo-y-ness of the forums and the IPA d00msday sentiment. It gets tiring to read. And for those reasons, it's caused me to step back, either from use of the forums or the full site.

    Speaking to local sentiment, many of our local beer scene members were apart of the great purge here on BA sometime ago, so local views of the site are not favorable, stalling any discussions on other platforms to get local users active in BA. Beyond that, the friends I had who joined often stopped returning due to: user interface in giving ratings, and/or forums being negative (i.e. "why should I discuss beer if they continuously bash on what I enjoy?")
     
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  16. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am still here because of the community, forums, and information. I originally started using BA to find good beers. Then used BA for trading, then to learn more about the industry and now mostly to browse forums and for the information on the home brewing forum.

    So much good stuff and so many good people. why would I leave?
     
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  17. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    I joined 15 years ago (and like @PapaGoose03 cannot remember how I learned of the site) in order to learn more about beer and to be able to pick places to visit on my travels. Beer Advocate was, and continues to be, very helpful in this regard. I've also met some really fine people through this site. Finally, I like to hang out with the "regulars" on WBAYDN.
     
  18. dano213

    dano213 Pooh-Bah (2,046) May 24, 2003 Pennsylvania
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    I joined BA a long time ago - in May, 2003. I've found the site to be extremely useful, in different ways at different times in my beer appreciation history. Initially, I enjoyed the forums for beer talk, trading, and recipes and also for looking up how others would rate beers so that it would help me decide what beers to buy. The places reviews were also extremely helpful for finding quality watering holes/package stores near where I lived or when I was traveling.

    There were several years where I was almost inactive on the site, yet I still enjoyed craft beer and would use the site to look something up occasionally.

    Fast forward to this past summer when I started writing my own reviews (hidden benefit of the pandemic, perhaps?). I only have 102 reviews so far since July 2020. I'm really enjoying the process of reviewing a beer and recording my thoughts to paper, er keyboard. Some of my friends have enjoyed reading my reviews as well.

    The site continues to be the most consistent one out there for beer knowledge and appreciation, in my opinion. It will continue to have its loyal followers and hopefully gain lots of new loyal followers.
     
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  19. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    I have been on here since 2007, and lurked a long time before that. Once I moved to Houston, I got really involved with the Southwest forum here. We would have monthly tastings, at the least, and going to various brewery events (such as they were then). We also tried to give quality reviews on places and beers as much as we could. Since I travelled a lot for work at the time, I tried to keep Places as up to date as I could for my travels. I haven't been doing the Places updates, for Houston at least, very well lately. There are definitely things I can send in updates for (mostly closures now...:slight_frown:). There was a good group that I got to know because of that. The Southwest forum use to be really active, but almost all of those guys have left the site. Can't really say why...

    Also, I liked the Magazine when it first came out, was always a participant in the LNBA threads for a while. My interests in that had peaks and valleys, but am now pretty much a regular for the WBAYDN thread. Especially back then, the internet was a way different place. I never got into Facebook or any of the other social media sites, and basically used it for Beer Advocate and to obsess over Miles Davis when I had free time, now its basically life.

    Since most the people I knew in the Southwest thread don't participate anymore, the WBAYDN and NBW threads are what I do most, and I really started doing those more after the first lockdowns. I would like to continue to add stuff to Places, and keep that going, but things being as they are, not a lot of new stuff to add. Not that I don't go out on occasion, its just to spots I know well and feel comfortable with safety guidelines, and its only a few times a month now (I use to go out a lot ha). Anyway, thats all I got. Good thread.
     
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  20. micada

    micada Grand Pooh-Bah (3,960) Jul 13, 2015 New York
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    Wife made an account almost six years ago because she saw a magazine that led to the online presence. I was getting into some home-brewing, so it seemed like a good resource. I like the tracking aspect because I go through a lot of beer, rightly or wrongly, so it’s a helpful history. Trading was new to me, but it’s been a great resource for getting some delicious brews that might never see distribution here.

    I almost left recently when I got an unsolicited PM telling me essentially that I try too hard to be liked, but I’m really not, and just barely tolerated. I should get some friends IRL. I felt like an a$$hole. Nowadays, I don’t get too “funny” and just lurk around trading forums and post a couple pics and throw in some likes. It still bugs me, but does having a person who sits on a (virtual?) barstool all day long enough to decree that I’m the bar simp warrant me leaving something I enjoy? Not yet anyway.
     
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