New Beer Weekend #36

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It is that time again where we talk about a new beer(s) that we are drinking. For you regulars you know the drill: tell us about your drinking experiences with your new beer.

    Plus any beer or non-beer related stories are much appreciated. The NBW community is a indeed a great community so we all like to know what’s going on with you.

    For me what is going on is a new/old beer which was generously sent to me and I am excited to tell you all about it:

    What is better than a beer that has been mastered – remastered?

    Thanks to a generous BA I will be discussing a new & improved (?) beer: Sam Adams Boston Lager – Remastered.

    It has been a very loooong time since I have had a Boston Lager. My guess is over 8 years ago. In a BA thread of 2015 I posted:

    “A couple of summers ago my neighbor bought me a case of SABL since I helped him on some yard activities. I slowly drank that case over a period of a few months. The hop presence in SABL fades fairly quickly; that beer is much better when fresh IMO.”

    It would be ideal to conduct a side-by-side of this remastered beer with a ‘regular’ version of Boston Lager of comparable age but none of my local beer retailers sell Boston Lager as singles. I could purchase a six-pack but….

    It just so happens that my generous benefactor did also provide me with a bottle of the ‘regular’ Boston Lager but since that bottle is past its best by date I don’t think it would be appropriate to use this for a side-by-side tasting/comparison. But I will not let this beer go to waste either so I will be drinking it too. “Waste not want not” as my father used to say.

    As you can see in the photo below these two bottles have a similar overall look but the remastered version does have the word “REMASTERED” on the neck label to distinguish it. Plus there are differences in the descriptions on the neck label:

    · ‘Regular’ description: “Distinctively Complex & Balanced”

    · Remastered description: “Now Brighter & Easier Drinking”

    The back labels are also very different:

    ‘Regular’ Boston Lager

    “Four Ingredients. Painstakingly Chosen. Every year, we travel to Bavaria to hand-select Hallertau Mittelfrüh hops, and the high American plains for the finest two-row summer barley. We cultivate our own lager yeast and I personally sample every batch. All our hard work goes into brewing this distinctly flavorful and complex beer for you. Cheers!”

    Remastered Boston Lager

    “Our tireless pursuit of perfection has led to the beer in your hand – the Remastered Boston Lager. Made brighter and easier drinking through decades of improvements to our brewing process and ingredients. It’s the beer you love remastered.”

    Jim Koch recently participated in a Q & A session where he discussed Remastered Boston Lager:

    “Brewing technology is another interesting place to play when tweaking recipes. In fact, we’re testing what we’re calling a “remastered” version of Boston Lager in New York this winter to match the modern drinker profile. The reformulated brew still uses the original 1984 recipe from my great-great-grandfather, but we’ve evolved our brewing technology and processes to improve the sessionability of this beloved beer. The remastered version is simply an enhanced, crisper version of the original – like hearing a classic song on new speakers.”

    https://flagshipfebruary.com/2021/02/20/jim-koch-on-samuel-adams-boston-lager/

    I have been homebrewing for over 25 years and as a result of my brewing experience I am of the opinion that brewing process is as important as ingredient selection.

    Let’s see what the changes in brewing process yields for Boston Lager.

    Served in my Polish Pilsner glass:

    Appearance:

    An orange/amber color with a big white head. Beautiful Belgian Lace is formed as the beer is consumed.

    Aroma:

    There is a combination of hop (herbal/spicy) and malt aromas. The first few sniffs are quite enticing. As the beer warms/opens up there is a tiny hint of diacetyl.

    Taste:

    The flavor follows the nose with a combination of hop and malt flavors. There is a low/moderate bitterness.

    Mouthfeel:

    There is a light – medium body with a dry finish.

    Overall:

    I think this beer is good – very good.

    If Boston Beer Company ever decides to distribute the Remastered Boston Lager to my area I will buy a six-pack (if I can find it fresh).

    @KOP_Beer_OUtlet @rotsaruch @RobH @nc41 @zid @TongoRad

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  2. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Glad to see you finally got your hands on some. Well done!
     
  3. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Even though you laid out the highlighted parameters, could you be "inappropriate" and let us know what you did notice different, even if age might be the culprit?
     
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  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    they say brighter and easier drinking, you said dry finish, does that mean the remastered less sweet and brooding a beer?
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The 'regular' Boston Lager was mostly malty - sweet with little in the way of hop aroma/flavor.I presume the lack of hop aroma/flavor was due to the age of the beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Dale, it certainly was indeed less sweet compared to the old 'regular' Boston Lager. It would have been interesting to conduct a thorough side-by-side tasting of the two versions of comparable bottle age.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, weekenders, and a big thanks to @JackHorzempa for getting us started! I will definitely look for the Remastered Boston Lager once I get back to New England. Boston Lager isn't exactly a go-to for me, but it is a beer I certainly appreciate. (To think: once upon a time, I found it too bitter. My, how palates change!)

    This morning's - and weekend's - first new brew is the third iteration of Humble Forager's Coastal Sunrise, a "breakfast parfait sour ale" brewed with blueberry, raspberry, strawberry, vanilla, lactose, and honey granola.

    Wow, considering Jack's recent thread on Shaun Hill and "beer-tasting-beer," this is .... well, this is not that. :wink:

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    (FWIW, I greatly prefer the subtlety, delicacy, and mastery of styles of Hill Farmstead over this kitchen sink approach to flavor bombs, but everything has its place.)

    Berries. Berries, berries, berries!

    I'm not a huge parfait fan, for two reasons: one, I don't normally eat breakfast; two, I hate strawberries.

    The strawberries in this beer are entirely a background complement to the overall profile (as are, largely, the vanilla and granola). Blueberries and raspberries really take the lead, from the nose through the sip.

    There's a nice sting about the gums, along with a moderate pucker. The sourness is seemingly all berry-driven, with no noted tannins, or vinegary or citric sourness, but that fits the theme.

    At 6% ABV, I suppose you can't really expect the beer to be all that creamy, even with the added lactose and granola, but I have to say I'm a little disappointed, given that this is aimed at replicating a parfait.

    Still, the other side of that goal - a breakfast sour with tons of berries - is more than met. It's clean, drinkable, not overly sweet, and very tasty. Probably not worth the high price tag overall, but I'll definitely enjoy each can (well, each can that my partner doesn't drink :stuck_out_tongue: ).

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/58881/538185/?ba=Roguer#review
    3.81 / -3.8% (only 2 reviews)
     
  8. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Good Morning everyone! Thanks to @JackHorzempa for the kick off and a very interesting write up. I'll looking to see if I can find some remastered Boston lager to try out.

    This morning I am finishing off a bottle I started last night - Transient Artisan Ales: F - - (Maple Syrup/Vanilla) This is a bourbon barrel aged imperial cream stout with maple syrup & vanilla. Many thanks to @ovaltine for the bottle.
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    Pours thick and viscous. Black as the darkest deepest woods. Thick bubbly mocha colored head forms on the beer as its poured before steadily dissipating. Ultimately just a thin ring of foam remains on the top fo the beer. The aroma on this one is just incredible - rich, decadent chocolate, fudge, maple syrup, bourbon, marshmallow, oak, vanilla. It all comes through on the nose in this delicious dessert aroma. However, it is not overly sweet on the nose - you still get the roasted malt notes and the underlying stout coming through.

    The taste is no less decadent and delicious. Initially there are notes of roasted malts, chocolate, fudge, bourbon and oak. That slowly transitions to notes of maple syrup, vanilla, marshmallow, and musty oak. Its definitely on the sweet side, but in a very balanced way. The barrel aging is present, but allows the other parts to shine through. It is a bit hot or boozy, but its not distracting - I actually quite enjoyed it. Feel is full bodied, viscous, and slick. Mild carbonation. A warming finish.

    Overall this is a world class barrel aged stout. Transient Artisan Ales is producing some incredible stouts and this is honestly one of the best ones I have had thus far. Again, thanks you so much @ovaltine - I think I will crack the other F--- stout you sent tonight.
     
  9. SawDog505

    SawDog505 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,922) Apr 9, 2010 New Hampshire
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    [​IMG] Poured into a 13 oz Teku glass canned on 3/11/21. Pours a very hazy orange yellow with a finger sticky white head that leaves thin streaks of lace with excellent retention. 4.25

    Aroma is peach, mango, ripe melon, pineapple, lemon, apricot, and grapefruit rind. 4.25

    Taste follows lemon, peach, honeydew, mango, pineapple, apricot, and a little hint of grapefruit. 4.25

    Mouthfeel is a solid medium, fairly soft gentle carbonation, not really dry or sticky, and at 6% ABV it drinks more like 7% but goes down really easy. 4.25

    Overall this is another really tasty offering from one of NH best breweries. 4.25 Cheers all and thanks for kicking this off @JackHorzempa
     
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  10. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    I really liked both F--- stouts, and especially this one. I'm not normally a "boozy" fan - at all - but in this beer, it worked REALLY well. Glad it fit your palate well, too.
     
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  11. WunderLlama

    WunderLlama Grand Pooh-Bah (4,820) Dec 27, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Let the light in by Treehouse


    4.28/5 rDev +0.2%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

    Canned 3.18, opened3.24, poured in a teku

    Treehouse describes this as “

    Let the Light In is an extra kettle and dry-hopped rendition of Force of Will. “

    Deep orange hazy liquid, one finger creamy white foam cap , frothy lacings , settles to a clingy ring

    Aroma is orange citrus, peach, mango. Orange first then the peach dominates

    Taste is mango , orange citrus Peach. Juicy citrus orange and pine

    Creamy mouthfeel, good sudsing, gentle hop bite on the finish. Moist but not meaty

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    Good beer
     
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  12. Limazulu

    Limazulu Maven (1,252) Jan 4, 2020 Idaho
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    There's Laaaarge, and then there's Ginormous. This locally brewed, locally named imperial stout is over the top with a combination of barrels and heavy-handed adjuncts. I'm really enjoying it, but my palate and my insulin cannot take anymore than this one pour in a single sitting. I'll be finishing up the other half of it tomorrow.

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    4.22/5 rDev -2.8%
    look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.25

    A-Looks like a big bold stout, also with prodigious khaki head that persisted quite long for the high ABV.
    S-caramel, coffee, rye barrel
    T-Above average sweet even for the style. Overly rich chocolate, some coffee and the rye barrel is more present than the bourbon. I'm not really picking up the maple syrup barrel. Maybe a little dark fruit sweetness and licorice on the aftertaste. Some char bitterness helps to slightly offset the nearly cloying sweet.
    M-Best part of the beer. Full body, viscous and chewy. The 15% ABV heat is there with some astringency, but not as boozy as you might expect.
    O-Very different barrel notes, but a bit over the top with the massive amounts of chocolate and coffee otherwise its taste score would have been higher.
     
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  13. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    Cheers everyone, and nice kickoff @JackHorzempa! Decided to crack a can early today before lunch, a recently rereleased Mass Ave Double IPA from Trillium which I did not get the first time it was brewed last year. Part of the newer Ave Series, similar to the Street Series with slightly higher abv to make it a DIPA, this Mass Ave is dry-hopped with Mosaic. This was actually the first release of the series last year.
    Seeing rye in the malt bill had me excited thinking the rest of the series was going to have rye in it, but I think this is the only one that has rye listed for the malt.

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    From the pint can dated 03/16/21, pours a vivid lustrous cloudy opaque golden yellow orange with a creamy frothy white foam head that has decent lacing and retention.

    The second it's poured I get huge pineapple and passionfruit, tropical mango, peach, some berry, orange citrus, grapefruit rind, lemon pith, floral lemongrass spice, very slight hint of biscuity bready malt, with dank earthy herbal grassy resinous pine. Very intense and aromatic citrus and tropical fruity aromas.

    Taste follows, citrusy, tropical, dank, hint of spice, mild toasty bready biscuity malt, big notes of lemon, passionfruit, pineapple, yellow mango, peach, orange citrus, grapefruit zest, floral lemongrass spice, with dank resinous earthy herbal grassy pine. Real nice expression of the Mosaic hop, not a lot of the dark/blueberry notes that I get from the occasional batch, lot of tropical citrusy flavors in here, not overly dank either, and not as weedy as I was expecting actually.

    Feels medium plus fuller bodied, creamy with smooth carbonation, pretty juicy and refreshing.

    Overall a really great DIPA with Mosaic hops. Juicy yet refreshing and not heavy, not too dank and earthy or spicy, real fruity, tropical, citrusy, nice balanced DIPA. Cheers all!
     
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  14. larryi86

    larryi86 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,118) Apr 4, 2010 Delaware
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    Good afternoon NBW, hope everyone is doing well. Just finish the 3rd marking period for the school, time to celebrate being 75% of this challenging school year with The Lost Abbey Veritas 020, thanks @BartS!
    4.23/5 rDev +6.3%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

    Thanks BartS for this
    750 ml bottle poured into a tulip

    A- A fairly clear reddish brown with a three off-white

    S- Sour, leather, some funk, oak, dark fruits, some cherries and boysenberries, touch of vinegar.

    T- Sour, leather, cherries, some boysenberries, some leather, oak, hints of bourbon, dark fruits, hints of sweet malts.

    M- Smooth, light to medium body.

    O- A very interesting and enjoyable wild ale. Seems like a nice blend of a soured Quad and Flanders, fruit is a nice touch.
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  15. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    @StoutElk_92 speaking of IIPAs with Mosaic hops...

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    New beer #2 is Non-Stop, a dry hopped IIPA with Mosaic, Sabro, and Lotus hops. This is an Untitled Art / BlackStack collaboration, and clocks in at a hearty 8.5% ABV.

    I was a little surprised at the appearance: somewhat hazy, with a few chunkier floaties. Nothing about this suggested they were shooting for a NE or hazy IIPA.

    The nose is very bright and hoppy, with bright herbs and citrus tones, and a touch lighter than you might expect for an imperial.

    That is completely reversed on the palate (typical of Citra hops, in my experience, but also in line with Mosaic - and I'm not familiar with Lotus): tropical-dominant, with only a touch of citrus, along with mild to moderate dankness and a fuller, sweeter body.

    Quite creamy, with a light sting, again suggesting they were going for a New England style all along.

    Really good to excellent nearly across the board. I'm glad I bought a single, but I wouldn't at all regret if I'd bought a four pack, either.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/47802/538870/?ba=Roguer#review
    3.97 / -0.3% (1st full review / 4 total ratings)
     
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  16. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    So this is probably/I think my first actual kolsch from Germany. I’ve been very lucky lately finding imports well within an acceptable freshness range and this one was canned late December, my first true German kolsch didn’t disappoint...

    Gaffel Kolsch

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    Pours a very pretty crystal clear light gold. Nice puffy white head, settles to a nice thin layer of white, as it settled left some nice lacing from initial pour. It really was a pretty beer the glass condensation and lighting of the photo do not portray it well at all unfortunately.

    Smell to me is initially was lemony sweet but as it warmed a white grape really was noticeable. I little memory bulb went off and it almost reminded me of Welch white grape juice as a kid. Incredibly pleasant smelling beer. There is also some hay like notes in it as well.

    The taste mostly follows the nose on this one. Touch of honey in this one it also reminds me of those water crackers.

    Mouthfeel is light and very enjoyable. It is very soft with a nice light soft carbonation. A nice subtle bitterness. Very clean and noticeably dry finish.

    This is a very very refreshing beer. I personally never have thought of many beers as thirst quenching but this definitely is a beer that has that quality. It’s smooth a soft like water but there is plenty there to remind you it’s beer. Very glad I grabbed this four pack.
     
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  17. Reef

    Reef Pooh-Bah (2,613) Dec 2, 2016 South Carolina
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    I've never had Taddy Porter because if I'm buying Samuel Smith I stay with Chocolate or Oatmeal Stouts, and there are lots of brown ales or dark lagers that are sure things. The porter tasting piqued my interest, so I got a bottle to try.
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    Huge fluffy tan head coating the glass. A roast malt nutty scent with lighter fruity hop and chocolate supporting aromas. A lot of fig, dark malt, toffee flavors and a fruity hop aftertaste. Great lasting carbonation.
    I have no idea what the age of this bottle is, but didn't detect any oxidation. I like this as well as any of the American porters and will add this to my dark beer rotation.

    look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25
     
  18. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I just had for the first time during the tasting. Really really enjoyed it and like you, no idea on date but hell it didn’t matter to me after I drank it. I loved the color and creamy look of the head on it, it tasted amazing too.
     
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  19. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    I wiped a happy little tear forming in the corner my eye seeing back-to-back "old beers" on this New Beer Weekend.

    @Reef - I recently reviewed Taddy Porter myself, and I kept mentioning berry (as in coffee with berry notes), and a more neutral to maybe woody bitterness.
     
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  20. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    Thank you for kicking things off this morning @JackHorzempa ! I don't have any remastered beers for today, but it has been my experience that changes to an existing beer, especially a beer I enjoy, are typically for the worse. That is definitely the case when the brewer of my two beers for today shifted production from the Chicago brewery to AB Plants, primarily Baldwinsville, NY, with others to Fort Collins, CO.

    Had this one earlier this morning. I usually pick the one I think I will enjoy least, or not as much as the second. I switched anticipated enjoyment today, and picked a light session stout to start the day. I really enjoy a solid flavorful session stout, and all things considered would prefer a lighter ABV with flavor, over a heavy ABV with similar flavor. I thought this one had good potential, brewed out of the Chicago Brewery so I picked up a single can, and away we go.

    Goose Island Little Risk

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    Can Notes: Brewed in Chicago, 16 oz, 2.6% ABV, 20% IBU, wheat the only ingredient listed. "This beer is inspired by Brewer Tim's trips to Brazil. it was there in Sao Paulo where our head pub brewer, Gui, took a perceptively dark heavy Imperial Stout, and created an easy-drinking, fresh Brazilian summer stout. So whether you're celebrating Carnival in Brazil, or St. Paddy's day in the states you can enjoy this session stout all celebration long with Little Risk."

    Appearance: 16 oz, multiple pours into my MBA nonic glass, Black base, though dark ruby looking through the top or bottom. Foamy brown head dissipates quickly leaving negligible lacing, and light creamy layer atop the pour. 3.75

    Aroma: Roasted malt, light to mild in strength, backed by bakers chocolate, oak, tobacco. Complex for a lighter stout, and pleasant. 4.0

    Taste: OK, the taste is wafer thin and weaker in complexity and pleasure. Chalky malt backed by by creamy milk chocolate. Nothing else from the complexity of the aroma. Expected a lighter stout offering based on the abv, but this is like you had a tiny squirt left of Hershey's Chocolate Milk mix to get a faint version of chocolate milk. I appreciate nice light session stouts packed with flavor, but you will not find it here. 2.5

    Mouthfeel: Faint carbonation gives the body negligible body, very chalky, light sweetness, bland, light, thin, watery, chalky aftertaste. 2.25

    Overall: Not sure of the point regarding this beer. Looks and smells good, but the taste is too light, even for a session, and the taste and mouthfeel too chalky. Glad I engaged in "Little Risk" by only picking up a single. 2.5.

    Have a second GI new to me beer I hope I enjoy better than this one, to pair with lunch

    @jonphisher 's Gaffel Kolsch is the most appealing new to me beer I'd like to try out based on reviews at this point.
     
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