Trade Value Thread (Q1 2021)

I don't see how this is worse. He is paying for the bourbon. It's not like he's stealing it or reselling it. Guy seems to have lucked into a relationship that any of us would die for.

 

This is like a modern day neck beard Cinderella story....

I hope Spike TV buys the rights for this story.

Zach Galifianakis as lead role because he reminds me of what most people on this site probably look like behind their keyboards.

 

I'm not sure how we can proclaim that he's not reselling anything. That's quite the volume of expensive and rare bourbon for a liquor store to order specifically for one individual consumer, especially having little intention, by his own admission, to drink it. Anyone that not only knows how to but successfully engages in gaming the system in this way surely has a lot more going on behind the scenes than is being divulged here. In the absence of any further input on his part, here's my issue.

He's tying himself into knots trying to pretend like this isn't something he puts a lot of effort and strategy into acquiring, which, in a trade value thread of all places, causes me to question what motivates him to feign such naivete or dumb luck. Almost everyone here is a part of this game, otherwise, why else would he or any of the rest of us be here?

To put a bow on this and revisit my original point, (which had no intention of leading us down such a rabbit hole), he didn't stumble upon anything. He didn't "run into" a case of ORVW at a gas station like a cluelessly lucky soccer mom who doesn't know what she has. It's not disingenuous to pretend that to be the case. It's a lie. And I really don't understand the purpose of creating that story here, as if it does something for the value of what he has, one way or another.

What he's doing in order to acquire ORVW is the precise definition of gaming the system, and is very close to as expertly efficient a way to do so as possible for an individual consumer (the next levels being reserved for entities such as restaurants or retail outlets). Further, I'm not familiar with Washington law around this behavior, but I'm pretty sure it would not fly, legally, here in Ohio. I've reached out to locals who work in this industry to gain more clarity on the law, knowing at a minimum it's not something they personally can do.

 

Cmon @Sabtos, this is the trade value thread, not the Other Half or Toppling Goliath thread.

There is nothing to indicate that this trader did anything wrong. And even if he did (which I am not saying he did), who cares? He's asking what a fair trade is, which is respectable in my mind. A lot of other people on this site make ludicrous requests and and try to fleece others, which is more problematic to me. And I don't believe people who have intentions to sell products on the secondary market come to the Trade Value Thread on BeerAdvocate to ask about comparable ratios.

Even if he is affiliated with the mob and the bourbon came from nefarious ways, who cares? Who are we to judge how people come to possess their bottles. Anyone who has knowingly shipped beer across state lines has also engaged in illegal behavior, but we don't call them out. It's a double standard to make any accusations about others without reflecting on ones own behavior.

By all accounts this persons trade feedback and nature of his posts suggests he is a normal human who came into these bottles in a lucky way. I just don't see how paying retail for something that has great secondary value and is highly sought after is illegal or wrong.

However, I appreciate that this post is totally on brand.

 

I don’t even blame @Sabtos for the cynicism of that post (given the state of the beer scene), but interacting with others on here and elsewhere on the internet where we fill in the cracks with assumptions is much more pleasant when you assume better of people rather than worse, I’ve found.

Anyway, it seems like B5K is trading higher than usual? Should I just wait for its value to go down to usual BK level or is this one special for some reason?

 

Simple numbers game. 5000 > 4000 > 3000. More is better, thus special.

I kid. Figure it will it find its level like other years. One of my favorite releases to seek out. Hope to run into a case of it this year.

 

I can fully appreciate dismissing his wording and taking it in a light hearted manner, but the way it reads to me is that he feels the need to not only lie about how he acquired these bottles, but even bother unprompted to put that lie out there in writing in the first place.

When something that could have gone entirely unmentioned smells fishy, it throws up a huge red flag for me, and I'm honestly surprised I seem to be the only one. It's a type of behavior I see in my day to day professional life that isn't worth droning on about, but I've also seen this type of wording in "trade" posts elsewhere, with deep regrets following shortly thereafter.

*ultimate shruggie*

 

I might have to drink mine today... Hmm...

 

@Affinity, let me get one of those upgraded Weller Antiques off you.

 

It's worth delicious in gold! Delicious!

 

You're getting way too hung up on the language he used. His use of the phrase "I ran into a bottle of X" is not the way most people use this phrase. That's all there is to it. No, he didn't walk into a random store and find this bottle. But he's saying that he didn't put much effort into tracking it down (like @William_Navidson said). He's not lying about it. If he wanted to lie, he wouldn't have later mentioned his liquor store owner buddy — he would just say that he luckily found the bottle on a shelf.

 

@Skeeter17 Ahhhh you have the case of Ol' Ripper snapper, Let me get one! I got Bourbons and 100+ Beers. Even Blablablablaton's!!!

 

Your definition of effort is on an entirely different plane of existence from mine.

 

There's always some effort involved.. I come by some Bourbons semi more easily compared to others.. However, if you put in the time and money at your local shop. They'll most likely make it less effort and easier for you.

@Sabtos I wouldn't get worked up over it or anything. It's just slightly upgraded Weller Antique 107 (that you folks in Ohio get easily off the shelf).

Cheers!

 

Except he explicitly stated that he doesn't put any money into his local shop.

"I spend nothing at the store annually. $0."

Defiantly and ironically so, after having already proclaimed to be "burdened with a case of Lot B and THH."

Don't you fret over my fragile lil nerves, I'm not worked up at all. All I did was engage in a cold, sober reading of the way someone chose to present themselves. I aim to rectify that sober part here in 5 minutes, as my work for the day is done, and I just got back from a run.

And for the record, I've had the entire BTAC and Winkydink lineups--pours aren't that hard to come by in my neck of the woods--and I'm well aware I'm not missing out on anything. I know I'm in the minority, but I personally prefer picks of Weller SR over most of them.

 

Sal Goodman he’s a lucky dude! You can score like that with Rum np. I get the equivalent “Pappy” of Rum off the shelf with almost no effort.

Cheers!

 

The rabbit hole continues but would rather get back to values and members helping members.....

Does anyone know where zymarium mead trades at? Have seen it razzle for 1 VRu. But didn't know where is closed for trades?

Any help

 

Based on the mods reaction, call it double msrp and there you go, simply put.

Trade up to play up!

Cheers

 

We can't just make up our own arbitrary values. This is not helpful to people asking for advice.

Seen trades at 0.5 VRU for Brew 5k. Brew 4k seems to have started at lower trade value from release and went down after some time. For now it seems Brew 5k is trading higher than 4k, but like most beers I'm sure it will come down with time.