Over the Rainbow? Why Queer Beer Is Important

Discussion in 'Article Comments' started by BeerAdvocate, Apr 21, 2021.

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  1. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I support people doing whatever they want lol.
     
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  2. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It is not necessarily so, but it could be ..According to logic one is not taking a position by touting something, necessarily. People are people and beer is beer. Prejudice just speaks for itself. It is obvious.
     
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  3. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    What?
     
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  4. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,868) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    TIL that wanting to be treated like a normal person has a direction on the political compass.
     
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  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    If being for equality is left leaning then feel free to come over to the other side. It won't make you a liberal, a Democrat, a socialist or anything like that.

    And you don't have to do any gay stuff so don't worry.
    Unless you want to, your choice.
    Cheers
     
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  6. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I am patiently waiting for the shitstorm this guy u replied to may start lmao. I am very strongly opinionated on the far left leaning but will keep my account thanks lol
     
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  7. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Grand Pooh-Bah (3,900) Sep 30, 2015 Nevada
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    Here at (entity) we support (cause). We believe in (marketing cliche). Consume (our) product.

    Non supporters: (statement not understanding marketing)
    Supporters: (statement to vilify non supporters of historically discriminated group ironically)

    Given that Sierra Nevada's Summer Break is currently rated like 3.43, and every 10%+ beer is like 4.01 or higher, I don't trust anyone in here. You're all crazy.

    EDIT: Am I hashtagging?
     
  8. algebeeric_topology

    algebeeric_topology Pooh-Bah (2,052) Dec 30, 2014 Florida
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    These things aren't irrelevant just because they're marketing and you're being far too generous to non supporters. Plenty of people commenting here understand the marketing/signaling, they just don't approve of it.


    If one wants to "stick to beer" then they should have the decency to help make it "just beer" for everybody else.
     
  9. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,868) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I, for one, cannot wait for the day that it is “just beer”! Though, a lot of the comments on this thread remind me of how far we are from that.
     
  10. randjuke

    randjuke Zealot (608) Feb 13, 2010 Iowa
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    I haven't noticed the overall tilt of the site as left-leaning, though it could be I missed it because that's not why I read the site. It is kind of discouraging to see the position "I don't care who makes the beer as long as it tastes good" handled dismissively because that is my default position, and probably the position of most beer drinkers. I see people drinking beers because they taste good (and not because of some other characteristic of the brewer) as a tribute to the brewer.

    So anyway the queer beers combine a cause and beer, and invite discussion about that cause, and in turn invite conflict between posters. I'm with the above poster in that I don't care for that approach.
     
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  11. algebeeric_topology

    algebeeric_topology Pooh-Bah (2,052) Dec 30, 2014 Florida
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    I guess I don't see why anybody would post, "I'm just here for beer" in a thread about representation in beer. Isn't quietly moving on and posting in any of the countless threads where only beer comes up the best way to signal being here for beer? The author cheekily suggested it in the opening, but surely you've been here long enough and seen enough of these threads to know why they would put that out.

    I'm sorry if you think I'm antagonizing you, I don't mean to. I hear you on being discouraged that people disagree with your modus operandi, but I'd invite you to think about the potential flaws in that position. If you think "sticking to beer" is a more inclusive stance, I'm curious to hear why that is.

    Also I think your breakdown of the article's intent and outcome is reductive. It's just an introduction to some history and a reminder to vote with your dollar.
     
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  12. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Good for the LGBTQ community and for the beer community over all!

    I just can't understand why so many people are bothered/offended by it. Pretty sure the number one reason is because of their own inner demons. And the second reason is: "If it ain't white (and straight), it ain't right!" mentality. We don't need people like that here or anywhere for that matter. Please leave this site and never come back! It'll be better without you!
     
  13. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    This!! Sadly "(and male)" should probably be added to that statement as well. Interesting how this thread brought out the worst type of people on this site
     
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  14. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    No doubt! And to be living in one of the biggest/best "melting-pots" in the world and to have that mentality is just mind-boggling.
     
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I thought progressivism championed tolerance?
     
  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    What I would politely offer to you is that discussing the "who" behind your beer is nothing new. There are nearly uncountable posts from people who refuse to buy from Lagunitas, Goose Island, Founders, Magic Hat, et al based on corporate "big beer" buyouts or various scandals. So for many people, the "I don't care who makes the beer..." position is fallacious; many people do care who makes the beer, and they vote with their wallets.

    What's different here is that people are choosing to chime in not on the general principle of , "I don't care who brews me beer," but rather in the specific instance that this article highlights the LGBTQ community inside the subculture of brewing. That so many would voice their opinion, as you did, that "Only the taste of the beer matters!" when they have otherwise not bothered to chime in on similar threads - or, worse, directly contradicted that stance - is rather telling. The "who" behind the beer mattered quite a bit to a lot of people, right up until the "who" was connected to the LGBTQ community, whereupon, suddenly: "Whoa, I don't care who makes my beer, as long as it tastes good!"

    Not at all
    to suggest you are doing that; on the contrary, I haven't seen that from you personally. But: have I seen several people drop into this thread to say much the same, while otherwise not bothering to chime in on threads about corporate sellouts, or allegations of other misconduct? Absolutely, 100%, yes. In other words: a whole lot of people never bothered to voice the opinion of "I'm just here for the beer, man!" until this article touched a nerve.

    It seems this is less about the principle of "Beer is an escape for me, so I don't want to talk about complicated issues," (the same concept applies to sports analysis and analysts), and more, "I am uncomfortable being confronted with the LGBTQ community."

    And if this forces some people to look inward and confront their own prejudices? I'm all for it. For those who don't need to confront any prejudices? Well, they shouldn't be offended in the first place, so I frankly don't see the harm. This thread should be nothing but a buzzing background noise to them - and they shouldn't feel the need to "defend" themselves.
     
  17. crazyspicychef

    crazyspicychef Pooh-Bah (2,341) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Seriously, you got to F'n kidding me.
     
  18. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Oh it should be interesting to hear your take on this
     
  19. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    I find it admirable that despite opposing views @Providence could end his statement with...I hope these topics don't make you leave this site.
     
  20. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    I have many older clients and see truth to ..white being blind and uncomfortable with things they struggle accepting.
    I do get uncomfortable with-we don't need them anywhere and they can leave. Maybe because I have always had to find ways to make things work with people of opposing opinions but it is disturbing to me. How can we demand people fully accept our values if we have no compassion and understanding of their limitations. Yes a bias or racist attitude is a limitation.
     
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