Looking for feedback on a recent trade

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  1. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
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    I wanted to get some feedback on a trade that I recently completed.

    The gist of it is, myself and another established trader had agreed upon a trade. Turns out, the other trader misspoke about one of the items they had and asked if the item they did have would work for me (it was a similar but different variant to what we agreed upon).

    I responded back less than 3 hours later and told them it wasn't a big deal, but my preference was towards a different bottle they had previously mentioned was available (a similarly valued bottle I might add). Keep in mind, I had already shipped their package at this point and we had established the trade through the BA system. They apologized and said they had wanted to get the package out and included the bottle I didn't agree upon, but told me they'd keep the bottle I had requested in their fridge and that it's mine "next time."

    I do not believe this trader did this maliciously, but at the same time, I can't fathom sending someone a bottle not agreed upon in hopes of the other trader just being okay with it (as you can probably guess--the bottle they did send was not as highly rated as the one I had originally agreed upon was). I'm not even sure what they mean--do I have to complete another trade with them to get the other bottle? Or would that be included on them in a future trade? Is it fair to even request such a thing?

    For better or worse, upon receiving their message, I didn't respond back. I wanted to see how I felt about it after some time had passed and I still feel like it was botched (I haven't logged feedback yet either).

    Should I let it go? What would you do? What is the proper recourse? A part of me doesn't want to see this person have to pay to ship the other bottle. And then there's the whole mess of getting the bottle they sent back to them as well. Is that at their expense? Just seems like a lot of extra time and expenses for one bottle, even though it's not on me.

    Just a disappointing situation.
     
  2. colby600

    colby600 Pooh-Bah (1,919) Mar 24, 2015 Connecticut
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    I find it extremely odd that this person still has the bottle and is willing to trade it to you. They already traded it to you so that would be a major problem for me.

    So basically, they want more for that particular bottle then first agreed upon. Not cool. You should be talking with this trader to resolve the situation. Personally I believe the trader should send you the bottle and pay for the shipping on the bottle he sent if he wants it back.

    I'm only hearing one side of the story and haven't seen the actual conversation.
     
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  3. TonyLuvsBeer

    TonyLuvsBeer Pundit (828) Mar 28, 2015 Michigan
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    Huh? So you agreed upon a trade with a certain bottle you were to receive. You shipped their box. The other trader then contacts you and says they don’t have one of the agreed to bottles and offers you a different one that you agree to? Then there is more conversation where the other trader mentions he has the original bottle you agreed to but it’s sitting in the fridge waiting until you trade again? That sounds ridiculous. If true, the other trader is a moron and should now box up the bottle you originally agreed to and send it to you. If required, send back the replacement bottle he sent you and he should pay for return shipping. If it’s not that valuable he should just let you keep it as an extra and good faith. Your story is a bit odd though. If he said he didn’t have the original bottle and asked you if you were ok with a different bottle then why would he ever bring up that the original bottle requested is now in his fridge?
     
  4. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Huh a bit confusing, def needs clarification. I got a different take than the two above me.

    My take is the trade involved OP to receive bottle A as part of the trade. After OP sent his box, he is contacted by partner to say he doesn't have bottle A, but he agrees to send bottle B instead, which OP agrees to. But instead of sending bottle B, partner sends bottle C, and tells OP he put bottle B in the fridge instead of sending it.

    Either way, the main thing I got is for some reason partner decided not to send an agreed upon bottle, perhaps twice in the same trade. How to resolve this over one bottle? I'll leave it to better minds than mine.
     
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  5. colby600

    colby600 Pooh-Bah (1,919) Mar 24, 2015 Connecticut
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    I agree, this story is a bit confusing.
     
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  6. KevinJohnson2

    KevinJohnson2 Savant (1,049) Jul 8, 2013 Michigan
    Society Trader

    Yeah a bit confusing here... Can you clarify in their original message about the mess up, did they say they didn’t have the agreed upon bottle or he accidentally shipped a different bottle than the one you agreed to by mistake? The first option makes no sense if he said he’ll keep the bottle in the fridge for you, the second while annoying does happen (I’ve actually had this happen on a box I received earlier this year) and it would be up to you if you require addition action to make it right or you’re fine with the incorrect bottle you received. In my case, I believed it was an honest mistake and there wasn’t a big difference in what I actually received so I just called it good.
     
  7. Lorddevn

    Lorddevn Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2019 Wisconsin
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    I agree with the confusing part. I’ve read it a few times and can’t tell. If his partner agreed to trade bottle A but then backed down and sent bottle B but kept A in the fridge. Or if he agreed to trade a bottle he thought he could get as bottle A but couldn’t and got bottle B instead and then sent bottle C while holding on to bottle B.

    either way when the trade was made bottle A was agreed upon by both parties so bottle A should have been sent. I’m not sure what happened in the PMs but from your post here it sounds like you really didn’t want bottle B, you wanted bottle A and they should have gotten you bottle A to settle the trade.

    also if it is the bottle A/B/C story then it’s really messed up given he sent you a 3rd bottle not discussed.

    either way if he has the agreed upon bottle in his fridge it’s his duty to send that to you.

    not sure if you know the guy personally or have traded with them multiple times in the past and he just assumes you’ll trade again it’s pretty messed up for him to hold onto an agreed upon bottle instead of sending what was expected.
     
  8. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    This is what it sounds like to me...
    • both sides agree on bottle A as part of trade
    • OP ships package
    • other trader realizes he doesn't have bottle A; offers bottle B instead
    • OP says no big deal about not having A, but he would prefer bottle C as a replacement (which he knows, from previous correspondence, that other trader has)
    • other trader ships out package w/ bottle B as the replacement (and says he's saving bottle C for next time)
    Sounds shitty to me on the part of the other trader. He shouldn't have sent out the package without explicit confirmation that the replacement was acceptable to OP.

    @pumpkinsmasher, can you clarify what you actually said in your message when you said it wasn't a big deal? I assume you meant that not having bottle A — and needing to agree on a replacement — wasn't a big deal. Could the other trader have misinterpreted this to mean that sending bottle B as the replacement wasn't a big deal? That's the only situation I can imagine here that would justify the other trader's behavior.
     
  9. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Savant (1,064) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
    Society Trader

    For those confused by OP's situation @sjguglielmo spelled it out pretty clearly in his post above.

    The way I see it, your trade partner should not have assumed you would be cool with the replacement and should not have shipped until you told him how you would like to proceed.

    Seems like the right thing to do is for your trade partner to send the bottle you would have chosen had he not already shipped the bottle he hoped you would be cool with. Also if he would like said bottle back, that expense should fall on him as he was the reason it was sent in the first place.
     
  10. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
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    Let me clarify and sorry for the confusion.

    The trader did NOT have the original bottle that we initially agreed upon, they were mistaken. They had a similar although less desirable bottle (it was basically a different variant). Upon finding out they didn't have the bottle, they messaged me and asked if this other variant was okay. I responded 3 hours later and said I would prefer a different bottle that they had mentioned earlier. As I said before, I had already shipped at this point and we had already agreed on everything.

    The other trader responded back and apologized and said they already shipped said less desirable bottle because they wanted to get the box out, but that they would hold that back the other bottle that I had requested and it was mine next time.

    Does this clear things up?
     
  11. Lorddevn

    Lorddevn Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Crystal now. They should have waited to ship until you agreed. Would ask them to ship other bottle and send you a label to return the bottle you didn’t want.
     
  12. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
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    Yes, thank you for making sense of my poorly worded message.

    This is exactly what happened. Here is the conversation (slightly modified)...

    Other trader: Hey, i just noticed i have the _____ version, not _____. Is that ok?

    Me (3 hours later): Hey, no biggie. Would it be okay if I swapped with the ______ instead?

    Other trader (about 3 hours after that):
    Damnit sorry sent it earlier i wanted to hit the post office today. I'll keep the ____ in the fridge its yours next time. I can probably get those ____ in your iso too, they are usually pretty available here
     
  13. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
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    Oof, yeah the other trader was in the wrong then. He shipped the box without even hearing your thoughts about the replacement. There are a zillion reasons why you might not have wanted that as a replacement: maybe you've already had it, maybe you're allergic to the adjuncts in it, or maybe you're just not interested. But he didn't even wait to hear about any of this.

    I agree with @Lorddevn — you can ask the trader to send bottle C instead and you can send back the unwanted replacement bottle with their label. Or (but this is a little riskier because you have to trust that the other trader will make good on this), you can agree to a future trade that's sorta lopsided in your favor, where you'll get bottle C in exchange for something small/easily accessible from you.
     
  14. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    My take on this is bottle C has too much trade value to guy who has it and he doesn’t want to give it up. He made a mistake and should go above and beyond to make it up to OP.
     
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    This is the only scenario that paints the OT's actions in a reasonable light, and I hope that's what took place... But the timing doesn't add up (he couldn't wait an hour or two to find out if the OP was cool with the substitution he planned to make? He couldn't double check to make sure the OP was OK with the substitute beer he had in mind before shipping?)

    Frankly, given the timing, I have to wonder if he had actually shipped his box to the OP when the OP contacted him with his counter offer (beer C, rather than beer B). The impression I get, is that the OT really didn't want to part with beer C, but was very happy to unload beer B in order to fulfill his trade obligation to the OP.

    Considering that it was his screw-up to begin with that caused this problem, it really seems like the OT should be bending over backwards to make the OP feel whole. My feeling is that the OT should have waited till he was damned sure the substitute beer he planned to send was fine with the OP before he shipped his box.

    If what the OT told the OP is really what took place (he just happened to ship his box with the less desirable beer during that short 3 hour window), then I would expect him to apologize, and then make arrangements to swap the beer requested by the OP for the substitute beer he "inadvertently" sent. The fact he doesn't seem to have any interest in doing that is giving me a very bad feeling about what took place here.
     
  16. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Agreed. And after re-reading OP's posts I think he is to be commended for being as non-judgemental as he's doing about this sketchy situation.
     
  17. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
    Trader

    Yeah, what you put forth is perfectly reasonable. But...it would require an additional trade which I'm not sure I would want to do and even then, I feel like I'd be trading just to try to get that bottle. I appreciate the thought and feedback (from you and everyone else) here.
     
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  18. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    No it should not require a extra trade. It should require the OT sending you the bottle you wanted and you sending back the bottle you didn't want....all in their shipping dime.

    The idea that they shipped prior to your agreement reeks of sketchy trade.

    If it turns out it was a simple mistake....the OT should have no problem with the swap.
     
  19. pumpkinsmasher

    pumpkinsmasher Zealot (527) Nov 12, 2013 New York
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    Okay, well for those that are curious, I messaged the trader and I took all of the emotion out of it and just kept it factual. He was VERY cool and apologetic and said he was in the wrong and immediately provided a tracking # for the other bottle without my having asked. We're totally square now.

    Thanks again to everyone who provided feedback. You can rest easy now.
     
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