Table Beer?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Gajo74, May 19, 2021.

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  1. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    So, basically, table beer is the original lite beer.
     
  2. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This is the context I first encountered "table beer" in
     
  3. dpc166

    dpc166 Zealot (552) Jan 17, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Exactly. The monks would brew the quads and they would enjoy the 2nd runnings. Similar with saisons. Saisons were originally low strength beers brewed for the workers in the field. They would literally bury the containers a few inches into the ground at the side of the field to keep the temps consistent and would drink them throughout the day. The beer was brewed to be table strength so one would be able to consume and keep production steady. They have great flavor and low in ABV, much better than those lite beers that are mass marketed.
     
  4. Gajo74

    Gajo74 Pooh-Bah (2,795) Sep 14, 2014 New York
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    Do you end up with a dark Table Beer when using the runnings from a Quad?
     
  5. dpc166

    dpc166 Zealot (552) Jan 17, 2009 Pennsylvania

    No, it's lighter. The darkness in the Quad comes during the boil when you would add dark candi syrup (either L-90 or darker). The grain bill for a Quad is all light malts (I use Pilsner, Munich, and Special B).
     
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  6. Gajo74

    Gajo74 Pooh-Bah (2,795) Sep 14, 2014 New York
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    Really?! I haven’t gotten around to brewing a Quad but I guess I assumed it used some dark malts. Thanks for the info!
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I will be brewing a Quad in a week or so and I will be using some specialty malts that are non-pale in color. For a 5 gallon batch:
    • 0.5 lbs. of Caravienne crystal malt (19 - 27 degrees L)
    • 0.5 lbs. Special B (140 - 155 degrees L)
    • 0.25 lbs. English Chocolate Malt (450 - 500 degrees L)
    So that wort will be somewhat dark in color just from those specialty malts.

    In addition I will be using 2 lbs. of D-180 Candi Syrup which will further darken the wort.

    Cheers!
     
  8. Gajo74

    Gajo74 Pooh-Bah (2,795) Sep 14, 2014 New York
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    Cool. What hops and yeast do you use?
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My hopping schedule is:
    • 0.5 oz. German Magnum for bittering (60 minute boil)
    • Flame out: 1 oz. Styrian Goldings.
    For yeast: Wyeast 3787.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    Contacting the brewery has always been a go-to option for me. Like you, I nearly always have gotten some great help / clarification about the beer in question.
     
  11. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Kinda begs the question, have you ever 'brewed' the second runnings of your quad (or a barleywine). I did enjoy Anchor Small beer back in the day, but haven't seen that in some time.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Short answer is no.

    Longer answer is I mash and then fly sparge to collect my wort for my beers (including the Quad).

    I have never conducted a second sparge for any of the beers I have brewed. Maybe somerthing to consider for the future? Do you brew with second runnings? If so, you continually monitor the wort pH to ensure it does not get above 6?

    Cheers!
     
  13. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    I'm not a brewer like you (but am envious)
    Just wondering if you ever considered that
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And the answer is heretofore no but I have a concern that collecting second runnings would result in a wort pH too high (i.e., > 6). And since I check by wort pH at cooled temperatures (i.e., 60 degrees F) there is a lag issue here.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. eppCOS

    eppCOS Grand Pooh-Bah (4,570) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    I think of "table beer" as the continental version of an English mild; a typical post-work day working class beer made in the style of whatever is made locally, sourced locally. So for some it'll come in the shape of a light farmhouse, a grisette, a mild, a saison, etc.
    But as someone *COUGH* pointed out above, to me it's all about targeting ABV% and a particular style.
    Yet, I always seem to appreciate them, no matter the "style."
    Cheers...
     
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