Should we sync with Untappd's beer styles?

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    First, thanks to everyone for contributing in this forum. I've been reviewing all of the threads and replies and appreciate the passion and discussion.

    When BeerAdvocate joined Next Glass back in February 2020, one of my big ideas was to create a unified beer database across all data-driven brands (BeerAdvocate, Untappd, Oznr, etc.) under the Next Glass umbrella. I'm not sure if or when this will happen, and it's a massive project, but I'll continue to push for it as the benefits for everyone are just as massive.

    In the meantime, would it make more sense to sync with Untappd's beer styles? There'd be nothing stopping us from building out more styles once synced (at least until a unified beer styles database is created), but at the very least this could fast track our adding new styles (many of which are long overdue!) and create some consistency across the two platforms and those who use both.

    Either way, I'd love to get your thoughts on this idea, as well as any pros and cons that you might have.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    I love both BeerAdvocate and Untappd for different reasons.

    When it comes to styles I think sometimes we(don’t mean to be presumptuous there lol) get it better on styles than Untappd, & sometimes vice versa.

    I really like their “International” pales & IPAs, sometimes, New Zealand/Japanese etc hops & or adjuncts provide a beer that isn’t quite a US IPA but in that general area.
    Also love the listing of Grisette, almost as much as drinking it :wink:

    But will defend with my very life's breath us having the definition of English Dark Mild & English Pale Mild, which they do not.

    Somewhere before I said you can justify both having the definition of 3 different beer styles or 3 hundred.

    So getting to brass tacks, I think being influenced by Untappd’s syle list may be a good thing, we shouldn’t just blindly adopt it.
     
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  3. JamFuel

    JamFuel Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,284) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    I agree with @EmperorBevis , we should add certain styles, like international IPA, or something like Pilsner - Other, and absolutely NE DIPA. I also think TIPA should get it's own style. But I think Untappd as a whole is a bit cluttered, style-wise.
     
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  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    There's a lot of dreck in UTs styles, and some omissions. That needs to get cleaned up before any merger.
     
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  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Agreed. They also link off to various sources for more info on the styles. Ideally, we could position BA to take the lead for beer styles and have them link to us to learn more! :wink:
     
    #5 Todd, Jun 14, 2021
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  6. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    Also

    Cider!
     
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  7. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I also like how they have some "xxxxxx- Other" styles, or "xxxxxx- International" styles that can serve as catch-all's that don't really fit with some of the traditional ingredients.

    My thread about the "Norwegian Ale" question would have been solved by having the "Pale Ale - International" style on BA. And "Pilsner - Other" would solve the issue of highly hopped pilsners by American breweries.
     
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  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    BeerAdvocate :wink:
     
    #8 Todd, Jun 14, 2021
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  9. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    I’m not advocating adding cider, I am in agreement with it’s omission here just saying that you couldn’t blindly install Untappd styles because they include Ciders.

    oh and Meads but objected to me adding a none alcoholic Kumbucha :rolling_eyes:
     
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  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Gotcha. And agreed! They also include hard seltzer.
     
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  11. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Pilsner - Other or Pilsner - American - either way, we need something to catch all of these pilsners that dont fit into the continental categories ...
     
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  12. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    As I am sure you're well aware they're hosting a hard seltzer fest!! :scream:
     
    #12 FBarber, Jun 14, 2021
  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Nope.

    If they're made too much alike, one of them becomes redundant. and we know which one would get dropped.
     
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  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I can't find it if there is, but is there a way to see the list of styles included on untappd?
     
    #15 FBarber, Jun 14, 2021
  16. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Don't care as long as we get different styles for saisons. No more mixed culture compared with traditional farmhouse! #splitupsaisons

    If any untappd syncing were to happen would rather it be a way for us to have our profiles and ratings over there too
     
    #16 REVZEB, Jun 14, 2021
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  17. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Here's the list of all styles from their Top Rated Beers styles pulldown (as of right now):
    1. Adambier
    2. Altbier
    3. American Wild Ale
    4. Australian Sparkling Ale
    5. Barleywine - American
    6. Barleywine - English
    7. Barleywine - Other
    8. Belgian Blonde
    9. Belgian Dubbel
    10. Belgian Quadrupel
    11. Belgian Strong Dark Ale
    12. Belgian Strong Golden Ale
    13. Belgian Tripel
    14. Bière de Champagne / Bière Brut
    15. Black & Tan
    16. Blonde Ale
    17. Bock - Doppelbock
    18. Bock - Eisbock (Traditional)
    19. Bock - Hell / Maibock / Lentebock
    20. Bock - Single / Traditional
    21. Bock - Weizenbock
    22. Bock - Weizendoppelbock
    23. Brett Beer
    24. Brown Ale - American
    25. Brown Ale - Belgian
    26. Brown Ale - English
    27. Brown Ale - Imperial / Double
    28. Brown Ale - Other
    29. Burton Ale
    30. California Common
    31. Chilli / Chile Beer
    32. Cider - Dry
    33. Cider - Graff
    34. Cider - Herbed / Spiced / Hopped
    35. Cider - Ice / Applewine
    36. Cider - Other Fruit
    37. Cider - Perry
    38. Cider - Rosé
    39. Cider - Sweet
    40. Cider - Traditional
    41. Cream Ale
    42. Dampfbier
    43. Dark Ale
    44. Dunkelweizen
    45. English Bitter
    46. English Mild Ale
    47. Extra Special / Strong Bitter
    48. Farmhouse Ale - Bière de Garde
    49. Farmhouse Ale - Bière de Mars
    50. Farmhouse Ale - Other
    51. Farmhouse Ale - Sahti
    52. Farmhouse Ale - Saison
    53. Festbier
    54. Freeze-Distilled Beer
    55. Fruit Beer
    56. Ginger Beer
    57. Gluten-Free
    58. Golden Ale
    59. Grape Ale - Italian
    60. Grape Ale - Other
    61. Grisette
    62. Gruit / Ancient Herbed Ale
    63. Grätzer / Grodziskie
    64. Happoshu
    65. Hard Seltzer
    66. Hefeweizen
    67. Hefeweizen Light / Leicht
    68. Historical Beer - Other
    69. Honey Beer
    70. IPA - American
    71. IPA - Belgian
    72. IPA - Black / Cascadian Dark Ale
    73. IPA - Brett
    74. IPA - Brut
    75. IPA - English
    76. IPA - Farmhouse
    77. IPA - Imperial / Double
    78. IPA - Imperial / Double Black
    79. IPA - Imperial / Double Milkshake
    80. IPA - Imperial / Double New England
    81. IPA - International
    82. IPA - Milkshake
    83. IPA - New England
    84. IPA - Quadruple
    85. IPA - Red
    86. IPA - Rye
    87. IPA - Session / India Session Ale
    88. IPA - Sour
    89. IPA - Triple
    90. IPA - Triple New England
    91. IPA - White
    92. Kellerbier / Zwickelbier
    93. Kentucky Common
    94. Kombucha
    95. Kristallweizen
    96. Kvass
    97. Kölsch
    98. Lager - Amber
    99. Lager - American
    100. Lager - American Amber / Red
    101. Lager - American Light
    102. Lager - Dark
    103. Lager - Dortmunder / Export
    104. Lager - Euro Dark
    105. Lager - Euro Pale
    106. Lager - Helles
    107. Lager - IPL (India Pale Lager)
    108. Lager - Japanese Rice
    109. Lager - Munich Dunkel
    110. Lager - Pale
    111. Lager - Red
    112. Lager - Strong
    113. Lager - Vienna
    114. Lager - Winter
    115. Lambic - Faro
    116. Lambic - Framboise
    117. Lambic - Fruit
    118. Lambic - Gueuze
    119. Lambic - Kriek
    120. Lambic - Traditional
    121. Lichtenhainer
    122. Malt Beer
    123. Malt Liquor
    124. Mead - Acerglyn / Maple Wine
    125. Mead - Braggot
    126. Mead - Cyser
    127. Mead - Melomel
    128. Mead - Metheglin
    129. Mead - Other
    130. Mead - Pyment
    131. Mead - Traditional
    132. Mumme
    133. Märzen
    134. Non-Alcoholic Beer
    135. Old Ale
    136. Pale Ale - American
    137. Pale Ale - Australian
    138. Pale Ale - Belgian
    139. Pale Ale - English
    140. Pale Ale - International
    141. Pale Ale - Milkshake
    142. Pale Ale - New England
    143. Pale Ale - New Zealand
    144. Patersbier
    145. Pilsner - Czech
    146. Pilsner - German
    147. Pilsner - Imperial / Double
    148. Pilsner - Other
    149. Porter - American
    150. Porter - Baltic
    151. Porter - Coffee
    152. Porter - English
    153. Porter - Imperial / Double
    154. Porter - Imperial / Double Baltic
    155. Porter - Imperial / Double Coffee
    156. Porter - Other
    157. Pumpkin / Yam Beer
    158. Rauchbier
    159. Red Ale - American Amber / Red
    160. Red Ale - Imperial / Double
    161. Red Ale - Irish
    162. Red Ale - Other
    163. Roggenbier
    164. Root Beer
    165. Rye Beer
    166. Rye Wine
    167. Schwarzbier
    168. Scotch Ale / Wee Heavy
    169. Scottish Ale
    170. Scottish Export Ale
    171. Shandy / Radler
    172. Smoked Beer
    173. Sour - Berliner Weisse
    174. Sour - Flanders Oud Bruin
    175. Sour - Flanders Red Ale
    176. Sour - Fruited
    177. Sour - Fruited Berliner Weisse
    178. Sour - Fruited Gose
    179. Sour - Gose
    180. Sour - Other
    181. Specialty Grain
    182. Spiced / Herbed Beer
    183. Steinbier
    184. Stout - American
    185. Stout - Coffee
    186. Stout - English
    187. Stout - Foreign / Export
    188. Stout - Imperial / Double
    189. Stout - Imperial / Double Coffee
    190. Stout - Imperial / Double Milk
    191. Stout - Imperial / Double Oatmeal
    192. Stout - Imperial / Double Pastry
    193. Stout - Imperial / Double White
    194. Stout - Irish Dry
    195. Stout - Milk / Sweet
    196. Stout - Oatmeal
    197. Stout - Other
    198. Stout - Oyster
    199. Stout - Pastry
    200. Stout - Russian Imperial
    201. Stout - White
    202. Strong Ale - American
    203. Strong Ale - English
    204. Strong Ale - Other
    205. Table Beer
    206. Traditional Ale
    207. Wheat Beer - American Pale Wheat
    208. Wheat Beer - Other
    209. Wheat Beer - Wheat Wine
    210. Wheat Beer - Witbier
    211. Wild Ale - Other
    212. Winter Ale
    213. Winter Warmer
    214. Zoigl
    Includes all styles, but we'd only be looking at beer styles.
     
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  18. zeff80

    zeff80 Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,425) Feb 6, 2006 Missouri
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    I like a lot about Untappd styles. But some are just too much. IPA - Brett, IPA - Farmhouse and IPA - Sour??? One beer could be considered any of those 3. Also, not a huge fan of "- Other".

    So I like how BA does it, but I feel like it needs to broaden further. As I said on a style question awhile ago...if a brewer makes a beer and adds Milkshake IPA to the title, then maybe Milkshake IPA is a style.
     
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  19. Scotchboy

    Scotchboy Pooh-Bah (2,990) Dec 7, 2010 Idaho
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    I would be in favor of matching and including the Untapd categories for continuity across platforms. Also I don't think that "more" is necessarily worse, as far as style options. I will probably be in minority.
     
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  20. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    Agree with this, especially the NEDIPA :slight_smile: I also like the comment above about potentially splitting up Saison's.

    I also agree with @EmperorBevis in regards to why we can't just copy over styles, since UT has cider, mead..
     
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