Beer Barrel Aged Bourbon

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  1. Ernest_Hooper

    Ernest_Hooper Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2012 Michigan

    No that's not a typo. New Holland Brewing is now distilling bourbon and aging it in their Dragon's Milk beer barrels. I just read about this today and thought some people might find it interesting to see the bourbon barrel aging process being reversed.

    http://newhollandbrew.com/spirits/whiskey/beer-barrel-bourbon/
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I bought a bottle at the brewery but haven't opened it yet. ($30) I had a tiny sample while at the brewery but I didn't notice any unique flavor that could be from barley or hops. When I open the bottle and try a larger drink maybe those tastes will be more obvious.

    A minor correction in the OP's post: the brewery does have a small distiller's license, but for this product they purchase the Bourbon elsewhere that gets aged in the Dragon's Milk barrels before it becomes Beer Barrel Bourbon.
     
  3. jroberge1981

    jroberge1981 Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2009 North Carolina

    We're one step away from an infinite recursion here! Coming next - beer aged in bourbon barrels that originally aged beer. *mind officially blown*
     
  4. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California

    Since bourbon can only be made in unused charred oak barrels this is impossible. That is just some whiskey.
     
  5. bluejacket74

    bluejacket74 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,305) Jul 4, 2005 Ohio
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    I think the way they can get around it is that it's aged in the unused charred oak barrel first before getting moved to the beer barrels. I could be wrong about this, but as long as it's aged in unused charred oak barrels first, they can still call it bourbon.
     
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  6. jtmartino

    jtmartino Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 California

    It's aged first in charred new oak and then finished in the beer barrels.


    Yep! From the website:

    Beer Barrel Bourbon is first aged in new American oak barrels for several years, before a three month beer-y slumber. The beer-barrel aging lends biscuity notes and a smooth malt character to the robust whiskey tones of toffee and caramel.
     
  7. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    It was:

    "The basis of Beer Barrel Bourbon is a blend of 110 to 115-proof Bourbons that come from Lawrenceburg Distillers in Indiana. New Holland places this whiskey in the used Dragon’s Milk barrels, and 90 days later it emerges, transformed into an incredibly smooth 80-proof taste treat."

    And that is why the price was so good for $30 a 750. New Holland didn't distill any of the base spirit. It was the same price for half the volume of the Double Down brewers whiskey.
     
  8. stevegoz

    stevegoz Savant (1,122) May 5, 2008 Illinois
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    It's basically a "finished" bourbon, like Angel's Envy, a recently introduced bourbon that spends some time in port wine barrels after six years on the original first-use oak. (Oddly enough, some craft brewer -- I think it was Greenbush -- advertised a beer not too long ago that was "aged in Angel's Envy barrels." I contacted them to ask which of the two Angel's Envy barrels it came from; I believe the reply was that it was the original oak, which is kind of funny when you think about it, since it won't really have Angel Envy's unique taste!)
     
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  9. Porkhustle

    Porkhustle Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012

    as a bourbon drinker I scoff at this obvious pitch towards doofey BAs
     
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  10. rjacobs6

    rjacobs6 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2010 Illinois

    Haymarket did this with Nina, their imperial stout aged in Angel's Envy Barrels. I had it on tap there and I'm pretty sure they had it at FOBAB, definitely got a complex array of the bourbon and port.
     
  11. stevegoz

    stevegoz Savant (1,122) May 5, 2008 Illinois
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    Now that process makes sense. Looks like Against the Grain down in Louisville used Angel's Envy barrels as well for something called London Balling.

    ETA: And I just looked through some old messages. It was Against the Grain that I contacted, after Bavarian Lodge put London Balling on draft and noted the Angel's Envy use. Here was the reply that I got from them:

    Against The Grain Brewery
    Good question... Its the original bourbon whiskey barrels. however, we do have plans to do some work in the port barrels soon. stay tuned!
     
  12. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Zealot (673) Mar 14, 2011 Michigan

    Not really a big fan of how this Bourbon is marketed. It's basically implied that New Holland distilled this and before this thread, it took some decent research to find that they did not.
     
  13. thebigredone

    thebigredone Pooh-Bah (1,654) Dec 19, 2011 Wisconsin
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    I wholeheartedly agree. I read the description on their website pre-purchase, nowhere does it mention that they bought the bourbon from elsewhere. Not sure I would have purchased it if I were aware that they had not distilled it themselves.
     
  14. Ernest_Hooper

    Ernest_Hooper Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2012 Michigan

    Ah yes. Thanks to those who pointed out that it is distilled elsewhere. Since I found it on the distillery section of their website I had assumed they were doing that part too.

    Still I think the next big thing will be 'beer barrel aged bourbon barrel aged beers'. I call it "Imperial Barrel Aging", or IBAs.
     
  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think to be able to call it "Bourbon" they probably had to purchase Bourbon to be able stick with the style name. Doesn't Bourbon have to be made in KY (or a company that is based in KY) to be able to use that name? (I don't know where the company is based that supplied the Bourbon, although it was said it was distilled in Indiana, they may be based in KY.) Otherwise they would have had to call it Beer Barrel Whiskey, and that doesn't have the same marketing 'ring' to the name as Beer Barrel Bourbon.
     
  16. JulianB

    JulianB Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2012 South Carolina

    Can you imagine what would happen on here if Pappy Van Winkle finished a bourbon in used barrels from Goose Island or Three Floyds?
     
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  17. CLCardinal84

    CLCardinal84 Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2012 Illinois

    London Balling was amazing.
     
  18. thereal

    thereal Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Illinois

    No, bourbon has to be made in the USA, but not in KY exclusively.

    A ton of good American whiskey is produced this way. High West is fantastic, and they only sell whiskey purchased from other distillers (right now - they are making their own as well).

    Bourbon must be aged 2 years to be called bourbon, and usually you want more time in the barrel that that. Sounds like they wanted to move forward with this idea without waiting. It's really not a big deal, or shady marketing.
     
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  19. vivasbeer

    vivasbeer Zealot (519) Feb 3, 2012 Michigan
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    I believe this to be incorrect.

    Here is what I know, Bourbon must be made with 51% corn, made anywhere in the U.S., no more than 80 proof, and must be aged in New Charred Oak barrels.

    Straight Bourbon adds another requirement, and must be aged in those barrels for a minimum of 2 years to be called Straight
     
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  20. thereal

    thereal Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Illinois

    All bourbon requires two years. "Straight" isn't a technical or legal modifier. And it's at least 80 proof, not no more than. George T Stagg is 140 proof or so, and harder to find than freaking Cherry Rye BCBS this year.
     
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