Barleywine Appreciation Thread (2022)

Discussion in 'The Bar' started by DIM, Jan 4, 2022.

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Which type of Barleywine do you prefer?

  1. American

    97 vote(s)
    17.0%
  2. English

    295 vote(s)
    51.8%
  3. That's like asking me to choose my favorite child, I love them all!

    162 vote(s)
    28.5%
  4. Neither, if Barleywine is life then life has no meaning.

    15 vote(s)
    2.6%
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  1. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I don't drink barkeywines very often because there aren't that many to be found on store shelves nowadays, but my early experience with the American version was too much bitterness that seemed to blend into a sherry-like oxidized flavor that I didn't appreciate. My local former brewery, Arcadia which is now closed, made an English version called Cereal Killer that was outstanding. I wish I could get it again.

    However, if I find a barleywine that is BBA, I'll like it regardless of whether it's American or English.
     
  2. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Probably not anything widely released. I don't think Yards has released Olde Bartholomew in a few years, and I wasn't really a fan. And Victory stopped doing Old (or Oak) Horizontal.

    Stickman has released Proto Hipster in cans a few times, which was English style.

    Forest & Main has had a few over the years. Back in the early days they had one called Ompahlos that was served on cask that was outstanding. Last year they released one in cans called Court Etiquette. It was good but I was a little disappointed - it was English style but very pale so lacked the rich malt flavors I enjoy.
     
  3. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Great thread. Some recent cellar pulls I’ve done. Both exceeded expectations. I prefer sweeter English versions but these two American Barleywines were nothing short of amazing.

    2014 Bourbon County
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    Restrained sweetness - barrel in the background - balanced w/no detectable oxidation. Damn.

    2012 Old Guardian
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    Caramel/malty/apple - some maple sweetness with a big bitter finish. Double damn! Decanting key here as the sediment was a solid visible 1/4 inch thick.
     
  4. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Another recent favorite check in of mine from Barreled Souls near Portland Maine. These guys doing all kinds of big barrel beers from Wee Heavy’s to Barleywines and Stouts. 2019 Soul of a Lion an English version - tart cherry - sweet/malty/oaky finish. They miss on a fair number of their more ambitious releases but this one a home run.
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  5. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    Glad to see this post as Benchtop is gonna can a non barrel-aged version of Olde Wooden Ship barleywine this week (they've bottled it past 2-3 years aged in various barrels)
     
  6. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Still one of my favorites. I drank this 1977 bottle 3 years ago. I have a few more from around this time that I need to open soon.

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  7. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    JW Lees Harvest Ale is one of my favorites as well. I was lucky to drink a 1986 (first year) bottle when I was in Germany a few years ago. It was exquisite.

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  8. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Wow…that’s incredible. I had a ‘95 in 2019 and it stood the test of time. Dreaming of another shot at a crazy vintage but it will have to be from someone else’s cellar!
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  9. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Nice! Bottles from the 90's are tasting so good right now!
     
  10. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    I have had 47 American and 20 English out of 3200+ beers reviewed. Love the style and shockingly i have imbibed on too few proportionately!

    Maybe this was already covered but i have to look at the choices from a BA version of the two styles versus the non-BA versions: and then the two styles themselves. For the record i am a hop head by nature but enjoy the subtleties of the English style. And both styles age incredibly well!
    Anyway, with that said, i have had some outstanding non-BA English including Traquair 2020 which i rested for 8 years in a wine cooler; and one i had recently from Asheville's Hillman; and Anchor's Old Foghorn.
    With regard to BA English styles some of my highest ratings include GI BCBBA; Deschutes MIrror Mirror; Firestone Walker Sucaba; and Pelicans Mother of All Storms which i probably underrated in retrospect - miss having that beer!
    On the American side for non-BA Bigfoot is my annual go-to. Another perennial is Third Coast from Bell which i think ages better than Bigfoot. I have Great Divides Old Ruffian as my highest rated and i remember it aging really well but i think they stopped making it a few years ago. And lastly Stone's Old Guardian was a favorite back in the day.
    For American BA, i remember really liking Big Sky's Old Bluehair and had that several times when it made it to PHX. Firestone Walkers Helldorado stands out in memory as well.

    In looking at my current inventory the only one i have is Founders Nemesis which is very solid.

    Great topic @DIM!
    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  11. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    SMS is back in bottles. I just bought a 4 pack. They had a good amount. Think it was just under $15,

    Enjoy
     
  12. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    Better watch out or this thread is gonna be a tasting forum!!

    On a serious note, looking back at my barleywine reviews makes me wonder of some of these beers characterized as American Barleywine because of brewery origin not beer characteristics.

    For example Black Hog Baccanalian Barleywine is definitely seeming more English style based on review text.

    Another would be Uinta Cockeyed Cooper. Reviews lean English style characters.

    There are probably more. Is it worth suggesting style changes to Mods? Could also check brewery websites for descriptions.

    Something Ive stumbled upon as I went down memory lane of my Bwine reviews.
     
  13. SiepJones

    SiepJones Maven (1,304) Nov 20, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    YES! This is great thread. Love a good barleywine, American or English. The problem is you just don’t see as many of them as you used to. Loved Old Horizontal, Old Foghorn, Gratitude, Old Guardian, Bourbon County Brand Barleywine, Sucaba, Mother of All Storms (just to name a few) but my go to is Bigfoot. It’s the reason I found this site actually. Looking up some tasting notes on the beer in 2007 I found this site, lurked for a few months then became a member. The other great thing about Bigfoot (besides it’s easy to find) is that it’s the best of both worlds. Drink it fresh for a huge, hoppy American barleywine or cellar it for years to have a sweet malty English barleywine.
     
  14. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I think you're probably right. I've often had similar thoughts and I have reached out to mods on occasion. There is so much grey area though that I usually don't bother. Tree House's Tree of Life for instance, very much a classic English style Barleywine to my taste, is described on the bottle as an American Barleywine. I figure they mean a Barleywine brewed in America. Does a sweeter Barleywine Americanized with barrels or addjunks become American? I'm just not sure what the answers are. Maybe a mod will chime in?
     
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  15. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    No matter the question or problem, Bigfoot is the answer. Probably half the total number of beers I have on hand is Bigfoot of various vintages. I've been working on a piecemeal 10 year vertical over the last few weeks, going to post it in the cellar forum soon.
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I've never seen that label. Awesome. The beer looks quite still. I was actually just in conversation with @JackHorzempa about Harvest and how Mitch Steele had compared it to October ale - an old beer type nobody talks about anymore.
     
  17. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    It has made me wonder if some barleywines brewed in America become American Barleywines on the site here, since there may be no distinction on the label. Ultimately, I'd lean towards lumping the additional bottles that way, vs. guessing.
     
  18. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    People add beers under the wrong style category all the time - it happens, so if there is a beer you see that appears to be under the wrong style category, then by all means report it and a Mod will take a look at it.

    That being said, the default classification is going to be based on what the brewery calls it. So if it seems like an English barleywine but the brewery calls it an American barleywine, its going to stay an American. As to your other scenarios - they're really going to depend on each case by case basis.
     
  19. SiepJones

    SiepJones Maven (1,304) Nov 20, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Without a doubt. I’m coming to the end of my old Bigfoots in the cellar, I have one 2010 left. I started purchasing six packs again in 2020 with the goal of being where you are now. I look forward to your post!
     
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  20. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Grand Pooh-Bah (5,630) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    While Bourbon County barleywine was literally brewed in the United States...it is 100% an English barleywine. Brewer's intent > country of origin. I'll die on this hill. There was never a hoppy, American angle to this beer. In fact, I was part of a session in Omaha around 2013 where Greg Hall, in a proto-"Zoom" session via live feed, explained how his time at an English brewery informed his understanding of the style.

    ALSO: RIP to Goose's Bourbon County Barleywine. We hardly knew ye.
     
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