Worst Beer Protips?

And you don't skunk that intentionally, I assume, haha

 

It's also desirable in Heineken and Corona.

 

You assume correctly, brown bottles in a 'sealed' cardboard case.

Cheers!

 

if I get a chance later i will look for it again, but in the past when looking into this question I did find statements from Danny Fantome about desiring some light struck character to develop

 

Well, some might claim that, but I wouldn't consider them a "pro". Most people who cellar do it for the changes it brings to the beer. Some might like it "better", but most admit to it only tasting different.

Ruins it.

Reminds me of my buddy who is restoring a 1970s Ford Pinto Wagon (his grandfather's first car after getting out of the service - those round windows were a bitch to install on the assembly line...). Some bad rust, including the metal gas tank and the strap supports.

He's found an after-market modern tank that will fit pretty good with just a bit of extra work but, of course, it's made of that black plastic (High-density polyethylene (HDPE)). He's concerned that, being plastic and all, it won't explode during a rear-end crash - thus ruining the authenticity of the restoration.

 

Until then, I remain skeptical.

Then again, I am skeptical of any brewer who wants to intentionally produce off characters in their beer. Probably just me.

BTW, Dany Prignon?

 

It should clearly explode!

 

Or, at least have the possibility of exploding. Much more authentic that way... if not an intentional fault.

 

Exactly why I don’t review.

 

Ugh, my parents had a '70s Ford Pinto Wagon when I was a kid (yeah, in the 70s, shut up kid). I had friends who weren't allowed to ride in it!

 

I don't know, but they know it does, they know that they have brown bottles and yet many continue to do so, though sadly, in the states Saison Dupont is now almost (if not) entirely in brown bottles and cans, and though it's still a great beer, I don't enjoy it as much. My guess is that like many things, it didn't start out that way, but much like sour beer, things that start as a defect often end up as features. I think there might be some record of brewers once upon a time using thrown out champagne bottles which typically happened to be green and it went from there, but don't quote me on that, that's an anecdotal memory and I couldn't tell you a source. Hell I might've accidentally made it up.

 

I will say though, probably because of it being a smaller run seasonal beer rather than any creative decision, Avec Les Bons Vœux is still in green bottles.

I don't think there's any need for either side to be dogmatic about it (not that I'm suggesting you are) but if you prefer unskunked saison that's totally legitimate. I like the green bottles because I enjoy that musty, skunky smell in my saisons. Whether or not this is true (I don't think it matters actually), it feels more viscerally authentic to me when I smell that. But again, just a personal preference.

 

If you find Heineken and Corona desirable sure

 

Is it really an off character if the brewer produces exactly what they were going for?

 

Exactly my point in asking if it's truly intentional. Do you know for certain it's "exactly what they were going for?"

I've read a lot of descriptions of Saison and haven't seen light-struck, historically recorded as an off character, as a usual trait.

 

Brooklyn Brewery's Garrett Oliver* claims the opposite:

(*A search for his name + champagne will turn up multiple examples of the claim).

 

Just to complete the circle here, so we can dispense with questions about a brewers intention: Do you know that it's not what they were going for? The best we can do is take these people at their word and rely on what they claim, unless someone has some evidence that it was a horrible accident that the brewer was too proud to admit and too lazy to fix.

I'm not necessarily talking about "historical" record, and I'm not trying to claim that light-struck character in Saison is built into the history of the style, but it stands to reason that at least some brewers who make that claim and don't change their bottles, whether or not it was originally on purpose, clearly don't mind or even like the effect it has and have continued to use the bottles for that reason.

Also, Jester King has occasionally released Le Petit Prince in green bottles, and wrote a blog post explaining why, (they claim to be doing it for the same reason that I do it, but maybe they are lying) but as far as I know, the beer didn't start in green bottles, and most Jester King beers are not in green bottles, which leads me to believe that they did what they meant to do. Just one example, but still.

I should say they also release SPON (almost exclusively with the exception of the boxes) in green bottles, but release some things in brown bottles and some things in cans.

 

Also, what I mean was not that modern brewers do this, but rather that once upon a time they might have, like a hundred years ago or something. Also though, again, it's just something I heard somewhere, never claimed it was a fact.

 

I thought Jester King's green bottle gimmick was stupid then and I said so (they also use clear bottles for some of their other heavily fruited sours). For me bottom line, skunk in beer is bad and should be avoided. Its kind of funny to me, as I have definitely seen a shift in this, especially here over the years. On this site pre 2010, nobody would ever argue for something being skunked on purpose, just accepted it as a reality for some breweries, especially imports to the US. We, on BA, trying to avoid it when they could (when buying Saison Dupont for instance, I would ask to get a bottle from a case, that hadn't been sitting out if possible). Oh well, just another in the long line of things I don't really get, which is no big deal in the end.

 

That's what I asked originally. And still haven't seen a solid answer with sources.