New Beer Weekend #86

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  1. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, Weekenders! We're closing in on Spring here in the Northeast (it's likely already started for some of you in more temperate climes), but we will no doubt still have a few days of snowfall before Winter looses its grasp (we had a nice blanket drop just two days ago).

    This thread is all about New Beer - not necessarily a brand new release (but maybe, as with my first selection today!), but a new to you beer! Something you've never had before. It could be a stout, an IPA, a Czech pilsner; it could be 3%, 8%, 20%; it could be good, bad, or mediocre.

    All that's required is that you tell us a little bit about your experience with this new-to-you beer. How does it taste, smell, and feel? Most importantly: do you like it?

    Pictures and full review links are always welcomed, but not required.

    My first beer this weekend is Beer'd's 2022 release of Midnight Oil, a 5.5% ABV oatmeal stout aged for 9 months in Maker's Mark barrels with coffee and vanilla added prior to bottling.

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    OG Midnight Oil is quite good. Let's see how this one holds up!

    Bottom line up front: this is really good, bordering on excellent. I'm wavering just above and below 4.0.

    The mouthfeel is sublime. It drinks impressively smooth, without ever feeling "big."

    The flavor doesn't come through quite as naturally smooth. The bourbon isn't overly strong, but there's a sharpness - a slight sourness from the mash - that is just a bit too much for the modest ABV malt base to handle. This is surely emphasized by the coffee, and perhaps even the vanilla.

    In a "bigger" stout, that slight sourness might be very pleasant, adding depth and complexity. Here, it cuts down on the richness just too much. But that's a very critical approach; I really like this beer! I had high hopes, and it didn't quite reach them, but it's very, very good. Full tasting notes in the review linked below.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30321/594089/?ba=Roguer#lists
    4.07 / added to database

    So, yeah: 4.07. It's really, really good. It's not going to replace Bourbon County, or Firestone Walker or Fremont barrel programs, in your pantheon of barrel aged stouts. But it's really good.

    Cheers!
     
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  2. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Good day BAs! Thanks @Roguer for kicking off this weekend's thread! I'm putting in a more readily available brew from my reefer stock:

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    Big Bad Baptist = good. Black Forest Cake = good. Big Bad Baptist Black Forest Cake = Ehh.

    Big Bad Baptist Black Forest Cake from Epic. 22 oz bomber purchased from Franklin Beer, Franklin, PA, on 10/12/21. $ 16.00 (including tax) ($ 0.727/oz). Stored at room temperature in store and at 40 degrees after purchase. Reviewed 12/03/22. Note that I use DD/MM/YY protocol.
    Bottle dated “2021 REL #2”. Served at 60.2 degrees in a hand washed and dried Jester King snifter. Final temperature 62.4 degrees.
    Appearance – 4.25
    First pour – Ruby Brown (SRM 24), nearly opaque.
    Body – Black (SRM 40), opaque. When rear-lite, some light penetration at the edges, ruby.
    Head – Average (Maximum 3.7 cm, aggressive center pour), brown sugar, high density with average retention, diminishing to a three cm crown and thin partial cap.
    Lacing – Good. Tight band of extremely tiny bubbles.
    Aroma – 3 – A weak ghost of cocoa, no coconut, no cherry, no roasted malt, no hops, no yeast.
    Flavor – 3 – Begins slightly sweet with weak cocoa and no coconut, no cherry, no malt, no hops, no yeast. There is a weak artificial chemical-ish flavor present. No ethanol (12.3% ABV, as marked on container) taste or aroma; however, there is immediate moderate gastric warming. No dimethylsulfide or diacetyl.
    Palate – 3.5 – Full, creamy, soft carbonation.
    Final impression and summation: 3.5 I’ve consumed tons of black forest cake and there’s no comparison with the flavor of the cake and the flavor of this brew. It looks good and feels good but the aroma and taste are neutral at best. The gastric warming is comforting and never rises to a painful level. The price point is too high for what you get.

    Rating 3.23, rDev -17.4%
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    March is Bock month!

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    In last week’s NBW I mentioned how @MNAle pre-discussed Bock beers for the month of March. Today I have a new Doppelbock to drink and discuss: Tired Hands Trendler Doppelbock.

    Below is how this beer is described on Tired Hands’ website:

    “Trendler Doppelbock

    A tribute to our favorite strong lagers from Bavaria. This one, our first run at this monastic style, is built from a plethora of German malts and hopped lightly with Hallertau Mittelfrüh. Fermented extra cool with our house Lager strain, and stored cold for roughly 3 months. Notes of medium toast, cantaloupe, light pecan, concord grape and toffee 7.5%”

    Wow! Three months of lagering is quite a commitment towards producing this beer!

    Served in my Polish Pilsner glass:

    Appearance:

    Deep amber colored with a BIG khaki colored head.

    Aroma:

    A prominent combination of aromas – dark bread (akin to pumpernickel), toffee, something that hints of sweetness.

    Taste:

    The flavor follows the nose with the assortment of flavors from dark bread, toffee and yes some sweetness. A low/moderate bitterness.

    Mouthfeel

    Light/medium bodied with an off-dry finish.

    Overall

    The flavor profile is very good and it is a smooth drinking beer. For my palate this beer would have benefitted from a bit more body.

    Cheers!

    @rotsaruch @RobH @KOP_Beer_OUtlet

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    P.S. It is snowing right now in my area (SEPA) as I post this. Still wintertime here (today).
     
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  4. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Awoke this morning in the dark to soft ticks of what was soon to come against the window. Slowly I went about a morning of actual coffee, placing a coffee product, of sorts, into the fridge as clacks occasionally interrupted a stream of clicks against the window.

    The other inhabitants of the house awoke and arose to join me, so I prepped some breakfast and turned my attention back to early morning darkness. Darkness can come in liquid form, and in this case, I unleashed it on the world by opening the djinni bottle that contained it.

    My head returned to the light but remained shaded by the darkness. White crystals fell from the sky, gilding the ground in similar fashion to the froth atop the latest Founders KBS variant I was trying, Hazelnut.
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    The perfume of bacon baking did not distract me from the sweetened coffee and hazelnut aromas that arose to greet me. Occasionally a beer succeeds in mimicking another beverage to near perfection, and this was one of those cases. I received a power struggle between nuttiness and coffee, but the scents overall reminded me of a bolder coffee version of the hazelnut brew my mother enjoys.

    Before I ventured a taste, the beer succeeded in fighting the cold and chose a true winner, as a nut butter vibe overtook the coffee more consistently. This made that first sip a little unexpected. A little bittersweet fruity tang brushed by me to let a more classic coffee bitter roasted malt take the stage. The fruit tang pushed to the side gained a darker, but not sweet vibe - something akin to a more neutral prune. This seemed to fold back in as the roast faded and the hazelnut gained traction. The fading roast bitterness gave the impression of the beer sweetening into the end.

    The windows were quiter by the time I neared the end of the beer, with specks of white falling vertically. They betrayed the wind's silence every so often, though the trees seemed better at keeping its secret. Similarly, the nutty, pleasantly sweet aroma of this beer hid a bitter, mildly fruity, and ultimately nutty taste, though even the finish had the bitterness of the skin of the nuts.

    My conclusion, as I checked the oven for the status of a second pan of bacon, was in agreement with the few other BAs I saw comment on this beer - it's a pretty darn good variant.

    @Roguer - I agree with you on the looks, especially the head retention, but I didn't find it very boozy ("hot and harsh") at all. The GF said she thought it was maybe a little, and indicated she thought it was a little woody - reminding her of a freshly shelled walnut. Cheers, all!
     
  5. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Good Saturday morning all!

    It has been a crazy week and I am very excited to finally crack some new beers this weekend. First up is one of the beers from the BA Extreme Beer Box - Modist Brewing Co. First Call Frappé. Its essentially a pastry lager ... no, I am not kidding - It is a lager brewed with pilsner malt, malted oats and milk sugar, then conditioned on Wesley Andrews Coffee, cocoa nibs, pecans, caramel and cheesecake.

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    The beer pours a cloudy golden color with a lot of suspended debris or matter in the beer. Thinnish velvety white head forms on the beer upon pouring. The head settles in and dissipates somewhat but a nice thin layer of velvety foam remains on the beer. The aroma is absolutely dominated by coffee - fresh ground coffee with those grinds coming through really prominently. Apart from the coffee there are some underlying sweet cream and lactose notes. The thing is, this comes across on the nose as very onenote - it's just a cup of coffee with cream.

    The taste is again dominated by coffee, but the underlying flavors have much more variety and depth. The pecans and cheesecake come through with sweet caramel. The lactose provides this sweet creaminess to it, and the combination of all of these is very much reminiscent of a caramel frappuccino. That being said - the base beer is a lager, and the additives completely dominate the base beer to the point that you cannot really find anything in the flavor profile remotely approaching a lager - its nothing more than the vehicle to deliver the pastry flavors. It would likely end up with nearly the same result if it were delivered in the form of a golden ale or a cream ale. The feel is actually pretty crisp and clean - I think that is where the lager base actually comes through the most prominently. It has got a lot of flavors, but the beer itself is never heavy. The carbonation is prickly and lively.

    Overall it fits the bill of an "extreme" beer well in my mind. Drinking one can of this was interesting and admittedly enjoyable. However I have no interest in a second can of something like this ... and I cannot imagine picking up a 4-pack of this. In that regard I wonder if I am the exception, or if a beer like this is really just a novelty that people try a can of and then move on from never to revisit.

    look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75 = 3.66 (rDev -5.4%)
     
  6. Mdog

    Mdog Pooh-Bah (2,539) Jan 7, 2004 Minnesota
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    Another Modist Beer here, Mod Labs Oak-Aged Dark Lager
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    Appearance: Dark brown, good head.

    Smell: Roasty.

    Taste: Roasty, creamy, nutty, hints of caramel candy, smooth and easy drinking.

    Overall: My tour around local Minnesota dark lagers continues, this collab from Modist and Bauhaus is pretty good but not as complex tasting as Fair State's version. Still, it is nice and flavorful and easy to drink. Worth seeking out.
     
  7. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good after(barely)noon, Weekenders!

    Abomination's Wandering Into the Fog is a fantastic 8.6% ABV New England-style Imperial IPA; you may have seen me drinking one or two or four on WBAYDN?, and I reviewed it here on NBW #79. As I've had more cans of it since then, I think I may have under-rated it at 4.25; it's a damn good beer. (I did actually up the rating to 4.29 after having a second full pour under more controlled conditions.)

    WITF is also a series of beers by Abomination, as they've taken the base imperial stout (hopped with Mosaic, Pacific Jade, Citra, Summit, and Enigma) and subjected it to various iterations of dry hopping and even triple dry hopping (both cases single-varietal).

    So this here beer is the Triple Dry Hopped Sabro Wandering Into the Fog. Sabro isn't my favorite varietal, at least in my recollection, but the base beer is so damn good that I still have very high hopes.

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    Whether due to the Sabro or not, this is a good beer that nonetheless is not an improvement on the original.

    It's impressively juicy, both on the nose and the palate, along with lovely floral notes on the nose. It's very well balanced, and impressively creamy. The hop expression matches the sweet pale malt base well, resulting in a very juicy and fruity melange.

    So what's the problem? It's two-fold, really.

    One, in terms of flavor, there's a bit of banana-melon-mint going on that I find is not my jam in an IPA. I enjoy those flavors separately (and in some beer styles), but when I get banana and mint (in particular) from hop expression in an IPA it almost always detracts from my enjoyment.

    Two, the finish and aftertaste has a very green edge to it. It comes on suddenly for a beer that is otherwise quite "wet," and is moderately dank and almost dirty - like green hop cones taken directly from the bine. It certainly doesn't ruin the beer - it's not exactly bad, and you might find it's to your liking - but it is another aspect that lessens my enjoyment.

    Do I like this beer? Yes; I have no regrets buying a 4-pack blind, and I'll have no problem finishing it off. Is it excellently crafted? No doubt; I'm overall very impressed, and think others will likely enjoy it more than I. But is it what I really wanted? No, not really; it'll do, but I enjoy the original much, much more.

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    3.99 / added to database

    Huh; two Connecticut brews today, both added to the database. Perhaps I should shift to Canadian beers for my next review(s). :wink:

    Cheers!
     
  8. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    This might sound like a stupid question...
    I've always wondered about this sort of thing. The other items are solids that release flavors, but aren't part of the end process themselves.
    It seems like cheesecake would dissolve into the beer.
    Does the brewer add like whole cheesecakes or is it some sort of cheesecake flavoring?
     
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  9. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I have wondered this, as well - but not enough to ask the question. I assume it's literally chunks of cheesecake. Even if it dissolves, it would add the richness (and flavor) to the final product.

    I don't know what "cheesecake flavoring" would actually be. Is there some commercially available powder that mimics the flavor of cheesecake? I don't think cheesecake is like vanilla or chocolate, where you could potentially take such a shortcut, so I think they must be adding actual cheesecake - but how much, or how it actually impacts the beer, I'm not sure.
     
  10. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    If you're not including the various flavorings (fruits, etc.), your basic cheesecake tastes like lactose (cream cheese, a bit of sour cream), graham crackers, cinnamon, and vanilla. So, they wouldn't HAVE to use an actual baked cheesecake.
     
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  11. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    So for this beer in particular - I believe they used actual cheesecake ... but @MNAle is totally right - you could capture a flavor profile with individual components. I bet @Todd knows for sure if it was whole cheesecake or not.
     
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  12. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    Thanks @Roguer for kicking things off. Keeping with the early morning "theme" the first of two Firestone Walker cellar beers I have planned is a "pastry quad", a BA quad with brown sugar added. It's highly rated, so hopefully I enjoy this as well.

    Firestone Walker Stickee Monkee (2017)

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    Bottle Notes:
    Bottled I believe (ambiguity based on poor date stamp) on 4/21/17 @ 14:33. 2017 Barrel Aged Central Coast Quad Stickee Monkee No. 004. 12.5% ABV, 12 oz. OG 28.5 Plato, FG 7.6 Plato. IBU 26.0. Yeast Lucha Libre Ballistica. 9,500 cases produced. Color 76 SRM (Belgian Sugar). Beer Before Glory. Always store refrigerated. Store at 40 F, serve at 55 F.

    Properly cellared upon purchase until 11/28/21, refrigerated thereafter until opening this afternoon.

    Appearance:
    Single pour into a large chalice. Dark brown bronze base, mild carbonation, short white tan creamy head dissipates quickly, leaving a trace above the rim. 3.75

    Aroma:
    Brown sugar and bourbon dominate, slight Belgian yeast after attempts to go beyond. Smells more like a cocktail than a beer. 3.5

    Taste:
    Brown sugar continues its reign, a sharp somewhat harsh bourbon backs heavily after 15 minutes of warming. 10 minutes later, closer to 55 F, it is a mess of molasses, brown sugar and bourbon, a cocktail which has sat out a bit too long and needs more ice. No signs of the yeast or any other quad complexity, not sure if age or intent is the reason. 3.25

    Mouthfeel:
    Medium creamy body, carbonation gone by the time I started drinking, sweet and syrupy, cloying. 1/3 of the way through the alcohol starts to make an impact. Sweet jack and coke aftertaste. 3.0

    Overall:
    A disappointment factoring how other FW cellar bottles had held up. I believe this beer is as or near the brewer intended, but just not for me. Missed the traditional quad aspects of a beer, with the bourbon and brown sugar curb stomping all other taste and aroma attributes. Apparently, I am in the minority in terms of widespread admiration, it's just not for me and should have been more balanced. A rare miss by Firestone Walker. 3.25

    Hoping Sunday goes better on the beer front. Take care everyone!
     
  13. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    @FBarber

    Yeah, I suppose that's true. I'm not sure how much effort it would save them in the long run, nor why they wouldn't simply disclose that instead. Say, cream cheese, lactose, and vanilla; that would be good enough for cheesecake-like richness and influence on a beer. Besides, outside of cream cheese and sour cream, many of those are frequently added to beer already.

    If they go out of their way to say they added cheesecake (Abomination brewery has a series of pastry stouts, Midnight Snack, some of which also list cheesecake as an ingredient), then I suspect they added cheesecake.

    You're right, though, that there are ways to get there with certain ingredients.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I listened to a recent podcast discussion with Dan Carey (New Glarus). He mentioned that somebody gave him a present of an extreme beer (a Pastry Stout I seem to recall) and that at a later date he popped the cap and drank it but only got halfway through and decided to stop drinking it. He stated it was a 'good' (as in well brewed) beer but that it lacked drinkability for him; he simply did not want to finish that beer. He commented that these sorts of extreme beers seems to the 'in thing' these days but his preference are beer styles with the aspect of drinkability; he specifically discussed 'traditional' Pilsners as one example.

    I for one greatly value the aspect of drinkability in a beer (style) and more and more that is what I choose to drink. As a point of discussion I enjoy well made Juicy/Hazy IPAs (e.g., like to ones I get from Tired Hands) but for me these beers are 'one and done' beers - I just drink a single pint and if I choose to drink a second beer it will be of a differing style. Based upon the great love that many (most?) BAs profess for Juicy/Hazy beers I suspect I am in the minority in this regard.

    Cheers to beers with drinkability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  15. officerbill

    officerbill Pooh-Bah (2,228) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Which would probably be more stable than dissolved eggs and cheese, even if they are cooked.
     
  16. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Next up for me is Lost Nation Brewing - Lokal Resident a Czech 12° Pale Lager. Thank you to @vtcraft for this one.

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    Pours a kind of drab golden-orange color. Cloudy with a thin, weak sudsy white head. Head does not show much in the way of retention. Aroma has notes of sweet bread, grain, some DMS notes, a touch of honey with some grassy, spicy hop notes. The aroma reminds me of an older Czech lager/pilsner - so in that sense they seem to have nailed the aroma.

    The taste has notes of sweet bread, some dried hay, sweet honey notes and a noticeable amount of DMS on the profile. Grassy, lightly spicy hops come through on the back end. The profile is a very good representative of the style, however it falls squarely on the sweeter side of the spectrum which I tend to like less. Feel is medium bodied for the style, smooth and crisp. Bright, lively carbonation.

    Overall it is a nice Czech pilsner. It was canned in September and is definitely a little long in the tooth, but the profile really does do a good job capturing the style.

    look: 3.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4 = 3.8 (rDev -3.6%)
     
  17. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I am there with you in that minority.
     
  18. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I will say, this was reasonably drinkable as pastry beers go ... for me though it had no repeatability. Some beers - i.e. lagers - I like because I never get tired of drinking them. This one, I was tired of after that one can.
     
  19. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    My third new beer of the weekend is a revisit into the Extreme Beer Box, with Aardwolf's Bananas Foster.

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    For whatever reason, I set fairly low expectations going into this one. Perhaps it was doubt over how effectively bananas would be incorporated; perhaps it was the can disclosing only, "Natural flavors," instead of listing the ingredients (according to the BA database note: "lactose, bananas, cinnamon, vanilla, and natural flavors"). Perhaps it's other similar beers letting me down. Finally, perhaps it's Aardwolf's more recent track record.

    That last point is likely one for which no one else here has much of an appreciation, or at least frame of reference. I've sent out a lot of Aardwolf in the past.They make OK lagers; they make good to very good IPAs. Where they really shine, however, are in truly stellar sours, flavored stouts, and their massive barrel aging program.

    This marks the 68th Aardwolf beer I have reviewed. I don't know how many more I may have sampled but not reviewed at, say, their annual festival, or other Florida festivals. When it comes to their flavored stouts and barrel aged beers, I have subjectively appreciated them less and less in recent years.

    But regardless of the reason(s), I set my expectations too low (just as my expectations for my previous beer were perhaps too high). This is very well done, and the flavors work together exceptionally well.

    There is a bit of hesitation borne on the nose, which is really dominated by the cinnamon. There are other notes present, but struggling to come up for air in a dry desert cinnamon sea.

    On the palate, however, the banana loudly and proudly announces its presence, draping itself in a cloak of vanilla, chocolate, coffee, and brown sugar, along with highlights of cinnamon and pale cookie dough. It's surprisingly balanced, and really, really damn tasty. I like it a lot more than I thought was likely.

    The mouthfeel, admittedly, is a let down. It's very drinkable, but I would prefer much more heft and body, especially for a 12% ABV stout with pastry leanings. I want to sip, chew, and savor on a beer like this; instead, the sip is gone far too quickly, leaving behind an oily but faint reminder of the flavors. Yes, I am quickly readied for the next sip, but I want more than a memory of the previous, or its replacement.

    Overall, I think this one is a definite success, and one of the better beers of the Extreme Beer Box, albeit the gap between success and absolute home run (Kane's phenomenal Double Double Cask) is quite wide, indeed.

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    4.05 / +2.0%

    Cheers!
     
  20. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    A nicer day than yesterday. Warmer, no precipitation.
    The dogs had a good walk, and now they're resting.
    I am drinking beer and watching college basketball. The beer is Adobe Igloo from Santa Fe Brewing Company. It is described as a "winter ale brewed with cacao and chiles."
    A pretty beer. Clear mahogany color, one inch off-white head that disappeared quickly.
    Not much aroma, some sweet malt.
    Taste of caramel, a hint of chile late.
    Sweet, little bite of heat that shows up late.
    Medium-bodied.
    Not exactly as advertised, but not a bad beer.

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