Taproom pour sizes and pricing.

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bubseymour, Mar 25, 2022.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I have a friend who is looking to open a small brewery soon. We’ve been having some discussions about what works best in the taproom with regards to pricing, serving sizes as related to production costs/beer styles. So do you guys like taprooms that offer same prices across all the beer offered but served in different serving sizes (ex. All large pours $6 but the pale ales, pilsners etc are served in 16oz pint glasses but the higher production cost DDH DIPA, Quads and BA stout in an 8oz or 10oz glass (and offer half pour options). Or do you guys prefer all beers served in same size formats but different pricing based on styles/production costs (ex 16oz standard pale ale is $6 but the 16oz DDH NEIPA is $8)
     
  2. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I like the different sizes. Matter of fact, I might order a 16 oz. Pilsner and an 8 oz. Barrel aged stout alongside one another. Seems like the prices vary regardless of their model in my experience. The BA stouts are never price equivalent to the lagers, even when the pour size differs. Cheers.
     
  3. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I like different sizes for the same price, but more in relation to ABV than style, though, those tend to correlate.
     
  4. thuey

    thuey Pooh-Bah (1,705) Nov 13, 2015 California
    Pooh-Bah

    It's also more socially responsible to not have 14% BA Stouts in pints IMO
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    I agree with the different sizes depending on the abv/costs to brew the big beers. Serving high abv beers in a pint concept is just asking for trouble because of the ease of over-serving a customer who later gets into a car and drives into a major accident scenario. It's very easy to lose the liquor liability insurance coverage, then you're out of business.

    EDIT: Offering half pours is a nice option, but I think offering a sampler flight is more important than the half pours.
     
    #5 PapaGoose03, Mar 25, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2022
    ChicagoJ, Junior, Sheppard and 5 others like this.
  6. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I
    I gotta say, seeing 10oz as the serving size on Untappd and then instead getting a full pint... I'm grinning like an idiot.
     
    beerluvr, ChicagoJ, BigIronH and 2 others like this.
  7. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    well as long as I pour some out for my dog and let my kids have a couple sips it's legit right?

    More seriously, I can't think of a single time that the pour size or the pricing format has been of note to me. As long as both are clearly stated then I'll decide whether I think the things on offer are a reasonable value or not. I do appreciate portion size options
     
    ilikebeer03, ChicagoJ, Rug and 5 others like this.
  8. CBlack85

    CBlack85 Pooh-Bah (2,762) Jul 12, 2009 South Carolina
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I always appreciate the option of purchasing half pours. When I visit a tap room or craft beer bar, I like to try multiple different beers, but don't necessarily want to drink multiple full pours
     
  9. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    I can tell you from the inside, don't tie your pricing to the wholesale cost per ounce. Bars make the mistake of over charging for expensive kegs when they get it into their head that every serving should have a 200% or 300% markup. Not every keg needs to be a home run.

    In reality, cheap kegs subsidize expensive kegs. You'll do much better if you keep the pricing relatively tight. Customers get pissed at an $11 pour. Not BA customers, we are different. And bars that have low brow beer, they don't charge $3 for the PBR. It goes both ways.

    Also, 16 ounce Libby pint glasses do not need to be the standard pour. Go ahead and use whatever you like, but please note it somewhere. Too many sizes will kill productivity on a busy night, so two formats, max.

    Cheers
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    My preference to the specific question is same price but different serving sizes.

    And as other have commented, the option of a half pour is a great thing. If you choose not to purchase smaller glasses (e.g., 8 ounce glassware) which would be best from a consumer perspective just let the beertenders eyeball a half pour.

    Cheers!
     
    beerluvr, ChicagoJ, Junior and 3 others like this.
  11. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I like places like Woodstock pizza that serves everything in shaker pints and basically charges the same regardless of the beer. Nothing like getting a Barrel Aged Narwhal in a tumbler glass for like $7.

    true story, but joking aside. Different sizes and glass styles based on style and abv would be my vote.
     
  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I will add if you do half pours make them half the cost. Always annoys me when places change $4 for a half pour but then like $7 for a full pour.

    love how Sierra Nevada does it. Half price for half a pour.
     
  13. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Half pours are more important to me than flights

    I almost NEVER order flights anywhere. I want a stout and if it's 10 dollars for an 8 oz pour of a stout i have never had its nice to pay 5 for 4oz

    Gotta have mommy and me groups at a brewery for sure.
     
  14. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I know its rare here but i do like half pints , British style. A couple of places here in Oregon do them
     
    GetMeAnIPA, Redrover and barrybeerdog like this.
  15. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    TBH I don't worry much about price if I want to try a beer. When I hit a taproom, I'm driving to/from alone. I tend towards higher ABV beers, so I appreciate smaller doses for strong beers, 5 or 8 ounce, and I'm probably only having one because I'm driving. For weak beers, 12oz and higher are fine. Size matters.
     
    JamieDuncan, ChicagoJ and Reidrover like this.
  16. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I prefer it when every size pour is free! But in all seriousness, I like the mentality of flight/half/full pour of beers on tap (relative to the abv) for taprooms. It gives me freedom to try more if I want, or fixate on a certain beer
     
  17. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I know a lot of the discussion is the preference for high ABV beers in a smaller glass/serving size for same price as a lower ABV beer in a full 16oz pint glass. That makes sense for various reasons mentioned here. But if you are serving a more expensive to make fruit purée smoothee 4% ABV or an expensive to make NEIPA under 8%ABV do you serve those styles in the smaller glass size as the 12% BA stout in order to keep the consistent price? Or serve them in the large glass because it’s low ABV and subsidize your osses with higher profit margins on the cheaper beers to make? Current market (despite our many Beer Advocate forum rants), lean that those styles are still selling best at this point in time so not sure you want to subsidize your best sellers. Seltzers are the most insanely profitable drink a taproom can serve from what I’ve heard as well.
     
  18. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I think that you and your friend are over thinking things. Price your products at the level you need to to remain profitable. You're not Walmart or a local chevron franchise, you can't afford to offer loss leaders. You might not make the same margin per oz on each recipe, and there's likely value in the ease of customer experience to have only a couple different price points.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Serving beer on-premise at a brewery taproom is a differing business proposition than a distributing brewing business in that you get to see, and talk to, your end customers everyday your open. You can start off one way (e.g., all beers served in pint glasses at variable prices) and based upon customer feedback (both verbal input but sales volume data as well) you can change. Providing flexible formats (e.g., 4 ounces glass, 8 ounce glasses, etc.) is the most customer friendly way to operate since the customer gets to choose. If you serve Fruited beers in pint glasses at high prices you will know if this 'works' bases upon sales data; if you find that people are hesitant to pay $$ for a pint maybe you adjust to a smaller serving size at a lower price and see if sales improve accordingly.

    Cheers!
     
  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Great advice Jack. Makes perfect sense. I'm the one overthinking here, just doing some info. gathering for my friend to share input from a wide group of you Beer Advocates who are reliable and honest.
     
    ChicagoJ, Rug and Junior like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.