Twins/Summit Twins Pils

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  1. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Pundit (941) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    That’s too painful to fathom!
    Picture(s) worth a 1000 words!
    Damn you Summit, Twins and masses:angry:!!!
    Thanks for the post!
     
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  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    You do know "blind" means you shouldn't be able to see the beer? Visual cues are very influential.

    Also, what's the difference in canning dates? If there's some age on the "old" label, that could be effecting the flavor.

    Just theories, but I think I trust brewers' statements before a palate other than my own.
     
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I would think "filtered" for the masses before dumbing down a pretty smooth beer. But again, I'd be contradicting the brewery statement.
     
  4. gudbrande

    gudbrande Pundit (962) Jul 10, 2009 Minnesota
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    I wore a bandana over my eyes during the tasting - the kids thought that was hilarious. The wife took the side by side picture before the tasting and I took the individual pics after. I didn't see the beers in the glasses until the tasting was over.

    The Keller Pils enjoy by date was February 25th, but I've been unable to discern a difference in Keller Pils based on the canning date. I did the same taste test with a "fresh" can of Keller Pils and one that was past it's enjoy by date and could not pick out the fresh can. Summit seems to do an excellent job with canning and bottling and have a very stable product. I've certainly experienced a different situation with other breweries, especially with crowlers, but that's essentially an entirely different ballgame.

    I'd be very interested to hear from others, especially if they can find more recently canned Keller Pils. I was unable to find anything that wasn't past the enjoy by date, which may be a result of the rebranding.
     
  5. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    No pun intended, no doubt? :wink:

    Point being -- so many variables to take into account. A minor flavor difference could be anything from a recipe alteration to something missed in glassware.

    I really wish we could get a brewery rep to chime in.
     
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  6. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    As I commented before, over years of drinking Keller Pils, I've had a number of them that were clear. This is not a "hazy" beer; it is an unfiltered beer.
     
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  7. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Pundit (941) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    You are the only one using the term hazy:wink:
     
  8. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    :rolling_eyes:
     
  9. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW -- a local brewed a Kellerbier a while back. About the third week into it being on tap in their tasting room (not sure how many kegs they filled) I ordered a glass and damned if it hadn't dropped clear by then.

    Even the brewery and bar staff were surprised, but there it was.

    And yeah, it may have tasted a little cleaner, but not having a *cloudy* pour to compare with, there's no saying.
     
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  10. pandera

    pandera Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2011 Minnesota

    Maybe this will clear things up:
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    It tastes like Keller Pils to me (which is a big relief). The can is dated EB 8/12/22.

    Also, cheers to Summit for opting to include the perforations to make it easy to remove the sleeves before recycling.
     
  11. gudbrande

    gudbrande Pundit (962) Jul 10, 2009 Minnesota
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    Got a pic of the beer in the glass? The one I opened was dated EB 08/21/22 and didn't have a Keller Pils can under the label.

    I want to believe. I really do.
     
  12. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Grand Pooh-Bah (5,630) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    I am somehow mildly invested in this topic, while simultaneously not caring one iota about it.

    "I am large, I contain multitudes."

    -Walt Whitman
    - Michael Scott
    - @GuyFawkes
     
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  13. cheeseheadinMinneapolis

    cheeseheadinMinneapolis Pooh-Bah (2,011) Sep 20, 2017 Wisconsin
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    The Plot thickens. Well? It's not worth ruffling feathers over a Summit Pils folks.
    But maybe some others should test the beers and check there cans. Then they can decide for themselves if the beer has changed. It also could be that Summit was using up some of there remaining Keller pils can stock. Some cans could be bare or keller underneath. Why would Summit not use the Keller cans underneath with the can situation as it. Plus if there using up the old keller cans it's a sign that the old keller Name/label/packaging may not be coming back soon if ever.
     
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  14. gudbrande

    gudbrande Pundit (962) Jul 10, 2009 Minnesota
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    Hi, me again...

    I really needed to know what the EB 08/12/22 batch was like, so of course I bought some.
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    EB 08/21/22 batch on the left, EB 08/12/22 batch on the right.

    I did notice a slight color difference, so I switched them around in case it was caused by the background or lighting.
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    The EB 08/12/22 batch does seem to be a touch darker. There may be a slight difference in flavor between these two batches, but I didn't taste them blind, so I may have been influenced by that Keller Pils can under the label. :grin:
     
  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    It looks like both batch cans have the "disguised" label. Or is one just a blank can?
     
  16. gudbrande

    gudbrande Pundit (962) Jul 10, 2009 Minnesota
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    Yep, the EB 08/21/22 one is a blank can under the Twins Pils label. I do like the zipper label as @pandera mentioned in his post. Those are slick.
     
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  17. pandera

    pandera Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2011 Minnesota

    Sorry, I'm a little late with this. As you posted, it does pour dang clear. The taste and aroma are just as I remember from Keller Pils though.
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  18. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    It has been out for awhile and has received many ratings here so it is interesting to compare the two beers. Keller Pils has a 92 rating and Twins Pils has a 83. If it is the exact same beer what is the perceived difference? Do people just hate that the Twins have disappointed us for the last 30 years? I have bought a lot of Twins Pils so obviously I still enjoy the beer.
     
  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Label bias. I'll bet people perceive it as a cheap (AAL?) beer brewed for a sports venue.

    If you want to see label bias, look up the Trader Joe's Josephsbräu beers and compare to the Gordon Biersch counterparts. The TJ's beers suffer from false perception of the grocery store label.
     
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