FT PTY : ISO Heady Topper

IMO You should be able to get 1-2x 4pks for the younger… value wise.

 

He should get way more than that. 2 packs minimum, probably 3

 

You miss out on the heady topper distribution we got out here in February?

 

Honestly I'd save the PtY for a more limited tick. I would think you could get Heady for PtE $4$ fairly easy. If giving up PtY, I'd think 3-4 4pks would be doable maybe more. Heady is a cheap 4pk compared to most NE hazies.

 

For the first PtY bottle release I traded 4 Focal and 4 Heady. I think this was 2-3 years ago. At that point the Alchemist beers were not available in as widespread an area.

I was in SF for this most recent SF Beer Week and Heady was available in cans at pretty much every bar I went to. I assume this was specifically for the beer week festivities.

 

Must...protect...PTY...trade...value...

 

more like must not let someone get fleeced.

 

Are they really getting fleeced if they get what they want?

 

Also apparently it has no trade value, because I can't close any trades near the value it's selling for. Beer is dead

 

This is the problem right here.

Relative value is fine/expected but basing your ask on a random selling price (which is beyond insane, in case you're wondering) is one of several factors that have gutted trading.

 

lol just because nobody with a HOG or Assassin doesn't want your Pliny doesn't mean it has no value.

PtY is weird in that there is a certain cohort happy to shell out 100 for it, but this cohort isn't huge. most people who have beers like Assassin or HOG to trade probably wouldn't pay 30 for it, let alone trade their stouts for it.

trade value isn't always necessarily in line with secondary value (usually it works the other way around, with trade value being higher), and this is a perfect example of that. making some pronouncement based on the "value" of Pliny feels... way off.

it's like asking why nobody will trade you their Ann for your 50 four-packs of Heady ("the values line up, why won't anyone trade with me?!?!").

 

im not saying that because I couldn’t close a HOG or Assassin, I’m saying that because I literally got LAUGHED AT by multiple people for even throwing that ISO out there. Maybe I should’ve made that more clear. I get it’s hard to find someone with your exact ISO who wants what you have FT, but it’s not a preposterous trade at all.


The last thing you said is a completely different scenario. Secondary for cost barely ever works out.

 

how do you assign value on limited beers then? Sales are the main way limited beers moves nowadays, VRU units are dead. Trading is essentially bartering, so someone has to assign value to the things being offered and received, sales just have more data points to assign this value than trades do nowadays

 

Using secondary value is totally fine in general (i.e. it'll almost always be just a little lower than "trade value"), but it is preposterous when you're trying to use it for things like an oldschool TIPA that a limited amount of people want to tick. There simply isn't a very high number of people out there looking for that sort of malt so, like I said, it's the opposite of usual where it has a pretty high secondary value ("I've never had this before I will pay $100 for it!!") but low trade value ("I've had Younger twice, why would I part with my Assassin for it?"). I hope that helps to explain why people thought your trade was a little laughable to some people?

Anyway: I'll cut it out now, sorry to distract from your thread OP. Hope you're able to obtain some good-but-not-in-style-hops for your good-but-not-in-style-hops to your liking, despite what some other people here might think is reasonable ratios.

 

I have this beer. I want that beer. This is my experience as a trader. That tells me I'm in the ballpark. It's pretty simple.

If you're off you'll hear crickets; no big deal. If you're way off. people will laugh at you; & perhaps the trader should re-evaluate their notion of 'value'. Or just stick with it. Either way. Not my beer!

 

Just to add to this. When you look at the really limited stuff - yea, a lot of people will base trades (particularly if they are ISO) on sales (ie $$$). But outside of that, it’s all just normal market equilibrium. Someone makes an offer, and if it gets crickets you have to increase. Conversely, if you have 8 people banging down your door, you know you sold yourself short.

The “problem” with trading and $$$ is that people are far too concerned with maximizing every last unit of trade value. For most people who only get 1 or 2 whales a year, I get it. You really want to try something spectacular, and this is your shot! But if you’re trading down (or up), and you are really trying to squeeze someone…man, what a turn off. I mean, again, I get it. You can’t always be the one being generous or fair, it has to go both ways.

@William_Navidson made a great point though. The problem with trading something like PtY for big stouts is the same problem you used to have (maybe still do?) with obtaining Lambik with anything except Lambik. People just didn’t want to let Lambik go for non Lambik, so you had to trade more stouts to get the beer. Given how prolific selling is, maybe that is different now, but to get some of the real rare ones, I bet that is still true to a degree.