New Beer Weekend #90

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  1. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Don't apologize!!

    I enjoy reviewing "bad" beers. and yea, haha, I guess I was :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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  2. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Seems generous given a taste rating of 2.75 and an overall of 3. :dizzy_face: That sounds pretty terrible.
     
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  3. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Haha, perhaps.
     
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  4. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Now I'm drinking my first pilsner/lager in general from Breakside. I am already in love with their WCIPAs so I was excited to try their stab at lagers. I am not disappointed. This is hopped entirely with Hallertau Mittelfruh. The aroma and main component of flavor is that very distinctive skunky green cabbage and ripe green bell pepper note, which confirms a particular quandary I've had about pilsners for a while now. Most German or even Czech style pilsners are more distinctively lemon/grass/hay/floral/white pepper in their hop notes, but it occurred to me that most of them are mostly exclusively hopped with Saaz or Tettnanger. Hallertau Mittelfruh must be distinctively skunky and cabbagy. The malt is bready and well-rounded, slightly sweet. It finishes fairly clean and crisp. The only thing about this I would change is that I wish it were just a slightly more crisp, dry, or bitter. Otherwise, it's a very good lager.

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  5. Rollmeaway2loadout

    Rollmeaway2loadout Savant (1,070) Jan 30, 2016 Illinois

    Great Pilsner review. I have that glass at home.
     
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  6. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Last one for the evening - another from @BBThunderbolt Boundary Bay Brewing Co. - 12° Pilsner.

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    Pours a clear, crisp golden color with a two to three finger white head on the beer. Head dissipates leaving no residual head. Lightly effervescent. Aroma has notes of lightly toasted white bread, bready malts, a touch of sweetness and some floral hops.

    Taste follows the nose with notes of straw, white bread, some definite sweetness and a moderate bitterness from the hops that brings with it some grassy and floral notes. It is on the sweet side for the style, but not out of line. Feel is medium bodied, but still decently crisp. Smooth, and easy drinking.

    Overall it is a very nice pilsner and quite good. I'd happily drink this one anytime.

    look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75 = 3.73 (rDev +6%)
     
  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    3, being exactly in the middle of a 1-5 scale, is exactly average. From personal experience, I can tell you that that beer was much worse than that.
     
  8. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Ruh Roh, it's hazy, Shaggy!
     
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  9. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Now I'm drinking a Digital Realm (West Coast IPA) from Cerebral Brewing. Thanks to my roommate cousin for picking this up at the brewery for me.

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    A very potent dank aroma; I immediately detect that distinctive nutty, grainy, peanut aroma that I know is malted oats. I don't know why I have an incredibly discerning nose for malted oats, but I can smell them immediately in literally any IPA that has them. I also smell a slight butteriness that I hope isn't diacetyl. I also smell cannabis, grapefruit, white grape, pine, lychee, and pear.
    Immediately the palate smacks of pink grapefruit pith and white grape must; peanutty malt oats, pear/lychee, and resin. There's definitely a pungent dank-diesel-fusel thing going on that is a slight turnoff for me, but otherwise it tastes pretty good. Mild bitterness, slightly caramelized and biscuity malt, but no lingering sweetness. Not as bitter as I'd like a WCIPA, but otherwise tastes pretty solid. Definitely in the vein of TRVE's "no coast" IPA with the malted oats, minimal bitterness, and dry finish, though less cleanly executed than theirs. A solid IPA, something like a 7/10 or 89/100 range for me.
     
  10. JZH1000

    JZH1000 Pooh-Bah (1,933) Nov 7, 2021 Colorado
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    Welp time to break the trend of craft beers, because I've never had sapporo (excuse the armchair photography)

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    It's better than some cheap/mass produced lagers I've had specifically a coors I had the other night that was much more skunked than I remember coors being. Very sweet though, a malty sweetness but it's still very prominent.

    Again compared to similar lagers this one is actually hoppy, but who knows what kind of hops. Also this was brewed in La Crosse Wisconsin, not very authentic, it's gone the way of stella and fosters. Not even Vietnamese anymore lmao.

    Overall for what it is its good, but sweet, not the most crisp, but still refreshing and crushable. Actually hoppy but very sweet that's what sticks out to me with this one.
     
  11. WunderLlama

    WunderLlama Grand Pooh-Bah (4,820) Dec 27, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Ich Liebe dieses glas
     
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  12. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Good day BAs! Well, it's another damp-threatening-to-change-to-snow morning on the tundra of NW PA. The robins are all puffed up trying to keep warm - soon they'll be falling out of the trees like iguanas in FL.
    Today's New Breakfast Beer comes from @woemad in NBS BIF #15:

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    Sagittarius from Moonshot Brewing. 32 oz crowler received in BIF #15 Brewing, from @woemad (05/04/22). Stored at reefer at 40 degrees after processing. Reviewed 10/04/22. Note that I use DD/MM/YY protocol.
    No date. Served at 42.4 degrees in a hand washed and dried Jester King snifter. Final temperature 48.7 degrees.
    Appearance – 3.5
    First pour – Pale Gold (SRM 4), clear.
    Body – Pale gold (SRM 4), slightly hazy. When rear-lite, same.
    Head – Large (Maximum 5 cm, aggressive center pour), floral white, low density, and average retention, diminishing to a 0.5 to 1.7 cm crown fed by weak carbonation and a thin, rocky cap. Looks like waves on a stormy sea. Small pieces of lacing remain as the level drops.
    Lacing – One EKG band of tiny to small bubbles and many scattered islands of foam.
    Aroma – 3.5 – Weak hops, no malt, no yeast.
    Flavor – 3.5 – Follows nose. However, the hops are definitely spicier on the tongue than in the nose, delightfully so. No ethanol (6.9 % ABV according to what is written on the label in black marker) taste or aroma. Very weak gastric warming occurs. No dimethylsulfide or diacetyl.
    Palate – 3.5 – Medium, a little thicker than water, soft carbonation.
    Final impression and summation: 3.5 Probably should be rated higher but crowlers do tend to degrade faster than cans, IMHO. Nearly a week old – couldn’t drink it sooner because of temporary medication. Nice flavor and mouthfeel, weak nose. Tasted sessionable until you stand up.
    Rating 3.5, rDev -6.7%
     
  13. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Another IPA from @2beerdogs this morning (well, first beer this morning, but another beer from ... you get it).

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    This is Weekend Vibes, my 5th review from Coronado Brewing Company. It's a West Coast-leaning IPA that clocks in at 6.8% ABV.

    You know how often you're drinking a beer, and it doesn't feel "right" for the ABV? It drinks too light or watery, or much fuller and thicker? This one feels exactly in the right spot: lively bite about the gums, semi-dry finish, and on the lighter side of medium bodied.

    If I told you this has Citra, Mosaic, and Simcoe, you can probably already guess the flavor profile: a blend of tropical and citrus fruit (perhaps a slight lean toward the former), mild pungent dankness mid-sip that grows to moderate strength on the back third.

    This is an excellent IPA, nothing particularly new or ground breaking, just very well crafted, flavorful, and a joy to drink.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2447/374832/?ba=Roguer#lists
    4.03 / +0.8%

    Thanks, Derek!
     
  14. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    The beer may be low grade, but that glass is 5.0!
     
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  15. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    Sadly my previous trips to New England were during my bourbon days (no craft beer), so I will hopefully be able to at least hit Vermont and Maine post Labor Day to get my first crack at several of the great breweries that way (Thankfully Allagash and Oxbow are shipped here). That said, we do get a great variety from across the nation and world, as well as several great local breweries.

    With that, I welcome to New Beer Sunday #894 one and all! Hoping to get the same results via this older saison I scored during a sale two years ago. Glad Chicago has access to Jester King.

    Jester King Das Wunderkind!

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    Bottle Notes: 25.4 oz, Brewed and Bottled in Austin, Texas by Jester King Brewery. Blend #21 -August 2017. Bottle-conditioned blended saison beer partially aged in Oak Barrels. 5.3% ABV. Ingredients: Hill County Well Water, Malted Barley, Malted Wheat, Hops, Mixed Culture of Brewers Yeast and Native Yeast and Bacteria. Purchased in May, 2020, properly cellared until 12/23/21, refrigerated thereafter until this morning.

    Using the old-world method of biere de coupage, young dry-hopped mixed culture beer is blended with mature beer aged in oak barrels. The blend is then allowed time to develop unique flavors and aromas that only fermentation with native yeast and bacteria can achieve. Unfiltered, unpasterized, and 100% bottle-conditioned.

    Appearance: Light transparent golden yellow base, fast, furious and persistent heavy carbonation, creamy full head leaves soapy lacing. Looks great! 5.0

    Aroma:
    Mild in strength, funky lemon and grape, grassy, getting tartness as well. 4.0

    Taste:
    Sweet white grape and lemon leads, faint grass. Taste feels a bit muted, absent rather than subtle, not sure if due to the close to five years it has in the bottle. 3.5

    Mouthfeel:
    Very dry, sweet and tart duke it out. Light crisp body, the sweetness brings a light syrupy feel as well. Hops bring some bitterness. Overall, everything checks out here, dry, balanced, light easy drinking, dry aftertaste. 4.0

    Overall:
    Would like to revisit with a fresher version, but was somewhat disappointed with the muted or perfunctory taste. Perhaps age or exposure to heat or light before I obtained played a role. Rating based on how it is now, enjoyable, but didn't hold up to my high expectations going in. That said, glad I purchased and popped this open today. 3.75
     
  16. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    3 is an average numerically IF people actually use the entire scale (but people do not). In terms of actual quality and how people rate beers (and what the term “average” means, I would place a massive bet on the idea that 3 is not actually average at all.

    How most people use scales doesn’t make sense in terms of what we want to get out of them. If you adapt the 1-5 (remember 0-0.99 is omitted) scale to a standard scale, then now what you have is that an “A” is considered 4.6 (A-) to 5.0 (A+), a “B” 4.2 (B-) to 4.59 (B+), a “C” is 3.8 (C-) to 4.19 (C+), a “D” is 3.4 (D-) to 3.79 (D+), and everything below a 3.4 is failing to varying degrees. Remembering this, that makes a 3 not only piss poor, but utter trash.

    Most people probably think about the 1-5 scale as being a 0-5 scale, implying that if you just use a 0-10 scale, you can divide it by 2 to get your score, which easily adapts itself to the standard A, B, C, D, F range. But a 0-5 scale it is not, and even if it were I doubt most people consider a 4.5-5 being an A- to A+, while considering 4.0-4.5 being a B- to a B+. Even In that case a 3 is a D-, it’s on the precipice of failing, as it were.
     
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  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    But that is simply another assumption (or grading paradigm). You're making the claim that @BBThunderbolt 's approach of using 3.0 as a numerical average is flawed, but you are inserting your own assumption based on a common US grade school scale.

    If only BeerAdvocate explained what the numbers actually mean ...

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-to-review-a-beer.241156/

    ... oh yeah.

    So, no: 4.10 is not in the C range. 4.10 is OUTSTANDING. No one refers to a C student as outstanding. 3.00-3.49 is OK, which is pretty much the literal definition of a C grade - conveniently, right in the middle of BA's numerical scale. OK is very much not failing by any definition, unlike what you suggest ("everything below a 3.4"). A D grade is poor but not failing, so even then, a beer in the 2.00-2.99 range is still a D range (not 3.00 being a D-, as you suggest). You could consider the entire 2-3 range as "on the precipice of failing," as a D is indeed pretty much exactly that, but you're starting your definition higher than BA tells us to rate, pretty much across the board.

    (Even if you consider "poor" as failing, which is fair, you're then jumping directly from C (Okay) to F (poor). There's a gap there not covered by your grade school analogy.)

    My only contention with Terry's use of the word "average" is that it suggests that numerically, all of the beers in existence should average out to 3.0. There's no reason that has to be true. BA doesn't use the term average to describe a 3.0 beer; it uses the word "Okay." The very next step up, 3.50-3.74, is "Good." Are the majority of beers in the world at least good? Sure, probably, maybe, I dunno; depends on your personal tastes. But I'll buy that. My own experience certainly agrees with the idea that the majority of beers are at least good.

    So I agree with your premise that scores don't need to average toward 3.0, because 3.0 isn't by definition supposed to be the mathematical average. I dispute your interpretation of the scale, as well, applying grade school marks counter to how the site where we rate tells us how to rate.

    In fact, you had a review up-thread that baffled me. 3.92, but almost everything you said about the taste and smell is how disappointing and artificial it was. But by your numerical rating, it was on the verge of OUTSTANDING! You then wonder how a beer like that wound up with an average in the mid 4 range ... well, that's how. People say, "This beer sucks. 4.0." instead of applying a numerical rating that matches their review. It happens all the time, so please don't feel that I'm picking on you, but if I read your review by itself, there's absolutely no way I would have anticipated such a high score.

    (FWIW, I too rate every aspect independently, so I think you can definitely rate the mouthfeel and appearance very high in a beer that is disappointing, and that of course goes into the final weighted score. I just don't get how you came to the smell, taste, and overall ratings with the rather harsh language in your description.)

    Edit: grade school marks are also based on a percentage of correct completion. If 90% correct completion warrants a B, how do you judge a beer being 90% correctly completed? "If only they'd used 10% more Strata!" We're judging the quality of a beer (subjectively), not the percentage of correct completeness. One scale is not related to the other.
     
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  18. Roy_Hobbs

    Roy_Hobbs Pooh-Bah (2,623) Jan 21, 2017 Connecticut
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    Today's first beer comes courtesy of @Coronaeus who despite not even being an official participant in NBS BIF #14 rained so much beer down upon those of us in the United States that he inspired the name for BIF #15.

    I've had my eye on this bottle of Patrick Bateman from Blood Brothers Brewing ever since I laid eyes upon it. Not only is it a fantastic name / bottle design for a beer, but I really like vanilla, so with a description on the bottle of "B.B.A. Stout w/ Madagascar Vanilla Beans & Cocoa" I was all in on this.

    Side note - my wife and I watched American Psycho for the first time a few months ago and were underwhelmed. Oh well, at least it inspired this beer!
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    4.25/5 rDev -3%
    look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

    Right off the bat, this is an attractive beer. The dark, dark brown / black is as expected, but there was a lovely viscosity to this as it poured from the bottle. Thick and chewy don't normally come to mind on the pour, but they did this time. Head is a dense, long lasting caramel color that eventually receded to a perma-cap and ring.

    Aroma is very rich and enticing, but very vanilla forward. I happen to really like vanilla, but a little more subtlety would have presumably allowed for additional aromas to present themselves. As it stands, they are hidden beneath the vanilla.

    On the tongue, the vanilla is still batting leadoff, but barrel notes are clearly batting second with cocoa notes in the three hole. Together they form a potent top of the lineup. The barrel and a little alcohol help offset the sweetness of the vanilla in a way that I'm really enjoying. Nice, long finish that doesn't evolve much but that's ok, because what's there tastes great.

    Feel is exactly what it seemed like it would be based on the pour. Full-bodied, thick and chewy, but oh so smooth.

    Overall this is a wonderful beer, especially if you like vanilla.

    Postscript: I'll have to decide if I want to revisit these ratings (especially the taste) before I finish the bottle. As much as I'm enjoying this, a 4.25 overall feels low. Peter, huge thank you for sending this my way!
     
  19. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Glad you enjoyed it! Blood Brothers stouts, from my experience, land in one of two categories. Really good, or really bad. I’ve had none in between.
     
  20. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I hear what you're saying, but I'd argue that very few people consider a beer that is "3.0" as 'okay', no matter if that is the BA instruction. Similarly, virtually no one considers a 4.0 as 'outstanding', even if that is the BA instruction.

    You evaluate a system based on how people use it, NOT on how the instruction is to use the scale. When you don't use the entire scale, it's pretty difficult to get a sensible interpretation that fits the definition. This is actually a major problem at universities. When the top end is built heavy, you end up with significant bias and less interpretable results. BUT, that's been ingrained in most people from an early age.

    Reviews are written along two lines: To style and personal enjoyment. I rated the review to style, but I wrote my personal opinion of the beer in the review. Would I never buy that beer again? Absolutely. Do I think it's trash? Sure do. Does it technically fit within the guidelines and is preferable to other people's palate? Clearly. I shouldn't negatively rate the beer simply because my own enjoyment is so low.

    Also, I don't feel that way. I love the discussion and banter. :slight_smile: My comments are in the same vain.
     
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