Pick Six -- Dedication & Decoction

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Right, but then why proclaim "...all decocted?"

    I readily admit I probably haven't had a Corona in 20 years, give or take, but there's a reason for that.

    And in no way would I have mistaken Corona for a well-brewed German light lager, so I doubt they decided to switch to decoction mashing over that time.
     
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    It's hard to believe that Corona tastes the same worldwide. It's even possible that Corona sold in the US is not the same as that sold in Mexico. The brand in the US is owned by Constellation, while that sold in Mexico and elsewhere is brewed by AB Inbev.

    Constellation brews Corona for USA in their Nava plant near the Texas border. It was purchased from AB Inbev when Constellation purchased the US rights to the brand. The US version is mostly from the owned plant with possibly some from AB Inbev Obregon (as identified on the Constellation site).

    Another situation where AB Inbev does not own US rights is its Labatt brand. It would be interesting to have a blind tasting of the Canadian Labatt Blue vs. the US version brewed in Canada (not by ABInbev) under contract to Fifco. Labatt Blue Citra sold in the US is brewed by Fifco in Rochester, NY.
     
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  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Isn't a Cereal mash a type of decoction technically?
     
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    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    That phrase “all decocted” wasn’t uttered by the brewer, and possibly not even by the person who wrote this piece. It was in the article’s subtitle, which was likely added by an editor — in what was intended as a fluff, “tell me about your ideal mixed 6 pack” piece.
     
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    M. Jackson's first US ed. of The World Guide to Beer (©1977) did not even mention Corona Extra, since the book came out a few years before that Mexican beer became a phenomenon in the US. About Grupo Modelo, he only noted it was the last of the Big 3 of the Mexican brewing industry, which brewed "...Victoria, a clara which is probably the country's biggest selliing beer and a favorite of the working man."

    A decade later, in his The New World Guide to Beer (©1988), written after that first burst of Corona mania in the mid-80s, he noted:
    His explanation of the beer's initial popularity in the US:

    As for the history of that citrus garnish which, contrary to myth, predated Corona Extra's popularity in the US, see my page Lime in Mexican Beers

     
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    It's an article about beer, from a source that's (supposed to be) beer-centric, the editor should also be beer-centric, shouldn't they?
     
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    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    You know, it really doesn't matter what's in a Corona bottle. Or how it's brewed. It sells. I remember the big craze when Corona came to many American markets. It was an odd fervor. Still is. It's a pretty sorry beer in a really good package. With palm trees, lagoons and beautiful people, what can be wrong that money cannot influence or alter? It's as American as can be.
     
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    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, the subtitle should have included the word “almost.”

    Pick Six: Dedication & Decoction with Brienne Allan
    Before her @ratmagnet Instagram stories and the industry reckoning that followed, Brienne Allan was, and remains, very much a brewer. Her chosen six-pack—all lagers, [almost] all decocted—are all beers that have played pivotal roles in her professional journey.
     
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But... it didn't, so I'm not getting your argument. Maybe you should apply for an editor's job at Beer & Brewing to help 'em out.
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Regardless of what the article says, let's use some logic here. If Corona is decoction mashed, wouldn't it have some enhanced flavor when compared to the typical AAL? I don't detect anything special.
     
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Oh no -- not logic! But, exactly.
     
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Constellation bought the Obregon brewery from GM/AB-I in 2016.
    CB Press Release - Oct 31, 2016 — Constellation Brands Announces Agreement to Purchase Brewery in Obregon, Mexico
    According to Constellation's 2021 Annual Report:
     
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    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Wait. A small portion of the grist is held to the side of the main mash, boiled, and then added back to the main mash increase its ability to be fermented? Sounds like a decoction to me.
     
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    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    A process used in the brewing of a beer that is derived from tradition that denotes quality can be used, and even promoted, in brews that might not appeal to you. At least a few US brewers advertised the kreusening of their beers. One brewer promoted beechwood aging. Decoction is an expensive process that likely isn't used too often, and likely isn't used in many mass produced beers (if any). But even if it were used, it it is possible that the resulting beer shows little or no evidence of it
     
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Not using cereal grain.

    And yeah, I'm probably being overly pedantic with terms, but the whole idea of the cereal cooker is to help utilize adjunct grains. Decoction is getting all it can from barley malt.

    "A Cereal Cooker is a brewhouse vessel that enables brewers to use unmalted cereals such as corn (maize) or rice as part of their recipe as well as malted barley. The proportion of rice or maize may vary depending on the beer and normally makes up 20%–30% of the grist. The cereal cooker is very much like a mash mixer; it contains mixing paddles and is heated, usually by steam panels. The raw cereal is added to water to create a porridge, which is then boiled. This boiling gelatinizes the raw starches, making them susceptible to breakdown by malt enzymes in the main mash. After gelatinization, the “cooker mash” will be added to the main barley mash, where barley malt enzymes will break down both malt starches and adjunct starches into sugars. Cereal cookers are generally found only in large breweries that regularly produce beers from mashes with high proportions of raw cereal adjuncts."

    I don't see your excerpt in this paragraph -- another source?
     
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    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Popular Ireland brewery (Whiplash) briefly speaks to this (re: cereal mash / decoction); However, Corona's usage is likely to "cut costs"

    So We're Building a Brewery Part 5. - Lagers, Mash Cookers & Decoction Concoctions — WHIPLASH (whiplashbeer.com)


    Also:

    Cereal Mashup | Craft Beer & Brewing (beerandbrewing.com)

     
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think they're using the term incorrectly here. Decoction isn't just an addition (introduction) of new ingredients to the mash; it's taking from the original mash, treating it separately,then adding it back.

    The cereal cooking step for adjuncts is to get the grain to a point that it works better in the main mash.
     
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