Using Kveik to make Quick "Lagers"

100% on bias going both ways. If you want them to taste the same or different. I mention bias because I think the impact is underestimated. It’s like when my friends come over and I serve them free homebrew. They all love it. Now if that same beer was at a bar and had to pay $7, would like it the same?

 

I would especially be interested in finding out if there are glycols produced.

 

I have posted many times in BA threads that blind tasting beers is the best way to obtain unbiased assessments. Tastings like they perform at beer competitions (e.g., GABF, etc.).

My buddy John loves this since he has the philosophy that free beer is the best beer!

Having friends and family provide input can be tricky. I suppose I am 'lucky' in that I have friends and family who do not hold back when discussing my beers; mostly an issue of not liking all of the beer styles I make.

I have a beer article in the works (first draft complete) and the conversation with my wife went like this:

Me: "Do you want to review my latest beer article?"
Wife: "What's it about?"
Me: "It's entitled "Brewing with Brettanomyces"."
Wife: (with a dirty look) "My first comment will be "Don't do it!"

My wife calls my beers which are brewed with Brett: "Horse piss".

Oh well!?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cheers!

 

Did you mean to state "glycerols" here?

I am aware that certain Saison yeast strains will produce 'extra' glycerol during fermentation but that is the depth of my understanding here.

Cheers!

 

For me, drawing rhetorical lines between "them and us" without the use of a mirror is the problem. Those feelings aren’t tied to the brewing industry.

If one can separate the two things in your post, then based on complaints against such companies from beer geeks, there is little doubt that some people will choose the former sometimes and others the latter. My comment was only applicable to folks’ issues with product/production. The limits of hypocritical thinking are unreachable though.

 

I can't speak for others, but mass market beer doesn't appeal to me from a taste perspective. The last beer I liked from New Belgium was Ranger ipa. And somersault. They fit my palate well. I like soft Citrus driven blonde ales in the summer as a quenching type beer, and the pine driven hops in Ranger were also something I desire from an ipa. The new voodoo Ranger beers, while popular with the mass market don't taste good to me. That is why I don't drink them. Now the business practices of their parent group I do take exception to and because I disagree with them I will likely never try another new Belgium or bells product as a result. I'm not sure if that comes across hypocritical, I certainly do not intend it to, but just an insight into the shenanigans that go through my mind when choosing a beer.

 

Separate from anything you've mentioned, I think we are all slaves to our own hypocrisies in one way or another. Having said that, I think it's great when someone has personal values that influence their consumerism... even if any such influence will inevitably have its limits. Just because someone draws a line with certain beer producers, I don't hope that they then draw the same line with deodorant and hot dog producers. The only things I would hope for are: 1) that that person doesn't assume that their lack of information regarding other entities equates to a lack of bad practices, and B) that that person doesn't automatically look down upon someone who doesn't share the same drawn line. In other words, having standards doesn't always go hand in hand with having an open mind, but I appreciate it when it does. I can't believe we got here from "Kviek lagers."

 

Came here to say this.

 

Just to be clear, in my post I was critical of the "Nordic lager" term rather than the brewing process. My comparisons to big beer were about the evolution of the craft segment and the attitudes within it rather than a display of how I feel about any such processes personally.

 

I think it's impossible to carry personal values through every aspect of our consumer lives. Beer is the perfect place to flex those values because of two reasons. The first reason is that beer is usually paid for with discretionary income. The second reason is the market is so large it is almost impossible not to be able to find a brewer that reflects the values that any given individual would champion. It's an interesting dynamic for certain.

 

I love that others had the same visceral reaction against the term “Nordic lagers” as I did. I have to admit it may be the best way to communicate what’s going on with these beers (if they become a more widespread thing), but it just feels wrong.

 

As a home brewer, I enjoyed using Lutra. Within my brewing limitations, I've found it to produce a very clean beer, especially when my basement creeps above 70F.

 

It feels wrong because these beers aren't Nordic lagers. Carlsberg Pilsner has more right to be called a "Nordic lager" than some US brewer's kveik yeast beer (that isn't genuinely Nordic nor a lager).

 

It goes with Italian pilsner as well.

 

And another alleged new Pilsner sub-style: Polish Pilsner.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/pick-six-dedication-decoction.666457/#post-7510381

Cheers!

 

I am not a fan of the Italian pilsner term, but the Nordic one is far worse. In the Italian pilsner case, the concept comes from American emulation of a specific Italian beer. It actually points to a beer.

 

The term "Lager" will never go away in Pennsylvania: