Which beers are most profitable?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Beer_Economicus, Jun 1, 2022.

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Which style has the best margins/most profitable? (Select one each)

  1. Best Margins: BA Stouts/BWs

    13 vote(s)
    21.0%
  2. Best Margins: Non-BA Stouts/Porters

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  3. Best Margins: IPAs/APAs etc.

    17 vote(s)
    27.4%
  4. Best Margins: BA Sours (includes Saisons)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Best Margins: Non-BA Sours

    4 vote(s)
    6.5%
  6. Best Margins: Lagers

    20 vote(s)
    32.3%
  7. Most Profitable: BA Stouts/BWs

    5 vote(s)
    8.1%
  8. Most Profitable: Non-BA Stouts/Porters

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Most Profitable: IPAs/APAs etc.

    29 vote(s)
    46.8%
  10. Most Profitable: BA Sours (includes Saisons)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Most Profitable: Non-BA Sours

    4 vote(s)
    6.5%
  12. Most Profitable: Lagers

    17 vote(s)
    27.4%
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  1. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    A few recent discussions on BA have me curious what the BA 'public' thinks about margins and profitability.

    Question 1: What Style do you THINK has the BEST margins (i.e. most profit per unit)?

    Question 2: What style do you THINK is most profitable (in the aggregate across a calendar year)?

    I understand this may be a bit broad and confusing, particularly #2. A flagship is not the same as a seasonal, so obviously Goose Island 312 nets Goose Island (or ABI) more total profit from 312 than BCBS. Most breweries also specialize in a particular style. BUT, I guess the idea is "on average" what do you think.

    Fortunately we have some insider's, I'm hopeful that we can get some good answers in the comments as well.
     
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  2. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Pundit (980) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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    I would suspect that AALs which are brewed is massive amounts have the highest margins.
     
  3. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Without a doubt best margins and most profitable.
     
  4. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The ones dipped in wax with foil labels and hyped the most.

    Enjoy
     
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  5. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    Maybe at large scale like budweiser etc making massive volumes of beer.

    But I bet for micro breweries these are not the most profitable, longer time in the tank, which then eats into capacity to brew other beers etc.

    So the answer is possibly even more nuanced than @Beer_Economicus may have intended. Just my speculation.
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I’m gonna guess that the brewer is a bigger factor than the style.
     
  7. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Based on what I see on the shelves, #2 must be IPAs (assuming we're talking about craft beer) . In an ideal world #1 is all the same since the brewer will adjust the price based on expected volume and costs.
     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Both of the above. It doesn't have to involve wax or foil, but the brewer who gains a reputation for his/her beers which then allows pricing well above brewery costs to produce those beers will have the greatest margin and profitability. However, the total profitability of a beer can suffer if there is a restriction on the amount that can be produced (i.e. only so many barrels are available to be able to release an unlimited supply, or certain ingredients are scarce). Treehouse beers have no such restrictions other than their brewing capacity, so that brewery is an example of wealth being built. So, given the popularity of IPAs/NEIPAs, etc. I voted IPAs for both categories.
     
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  9. J-legend-K

    J-legend-K Zealot (580) Feb 6, 2021 Arizona
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    None of the above; depends on the brewery
     
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  10. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I think this is a misunderstanding of what margin means.

    Margin wise, this is patently false. It’s like saying that Wal-Mart has the best margins on everything. Quite to the contrary, their margins are the smallest. Instead, they rely on making thousands of purchases at every store on very small margins to make a large profit. This is also true with meat at processing plants, where years ago (when I last researched it) they made a fraction of a cent per pound. But, because of the volume they are very profitable.

    Sane thing here. AALs make money by selling volume. It’s not much per-unit profit. Instead it is a volume game.
     
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  11. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    To offer some more insight, I was asking this question because I feel like people often suggest that BA beers that have a higher price tag have high margins - or “lagers are cheap” or “IPAs are easy” and so on. So, I was quite curious.

    I do not know the answer. I suspect that margin-wise, on average BA beers have the highest margin but one of the lowest overall effects on profit for a brewery (unless that is their specialty). -Excluding that it might drum up sales in other styles. This is primarily driven by the fact that anything that goes into a barrel seems to result in high prices even when unwarranted (although that could just be them trying to cover their costs). On the other hand, I think IPAs probably are the most profitable style, largely due to volume sold.

    @honkey may be willing to offer some insight.

    @BeerCruncher Doug may also be willing to chime in, given his recent videos.

    @RBCBrams17 May also be willing to contribute.

    @sulldaddy I definitely do understand that this is a nuanced question, but I am curious to see what people say. I wish it wasn’t so Brewery dependent, but given how many brewerys exist, I am hoping for some type of “average”.
     
  12. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Margin means . . . .what? If you have a brewery, there are fixed costs: rent/mortgage, property taxes, utilities, water/sewer, wages, licenses, equipment maintenance. You make a bunch of beers with varying additional costs. Unless you make just one product, the best margin depends critically how you apportion the fixed costs. For retailers, higher markup products are usually slower sellers than low markup products. Retailers have fixed costs too, and margins at big retailers are assigned roughly by $ of net sales per foot of shelf space. I'm sure the accountants at the bigger stores could give you some information, except that the info is probably a trade secret.
     
  13. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    The ones with the biggest advertising budgets.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    One aspect to keep in mind is that with Barrel Aged beers a certain portion of the beers are wastage in that the beer becomes infected/contaminated and those barrels will need to be dumped. One brewery told me that something like 30% of their barrel aged beers are dumpers. I would presume the higher prices for these beers are in part to account for this wastage. How this impacts "margin" I have no idea.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Macro brewers produce their AAL beer with high gravity and literally add de-oxygenated water post fermentation. This is one way to increase the volume of a massively expensive factory and thereby increase profit.

    Your neighborhood brewery is not doing this.

    As for margins, the cost to produce (including labor, materials, marketing, electric etc.) is not directly representational of the sale price. In other words, a barrel aged stout might cost you $10 per serving and a PBR $5, but PBR is not half the price to produce as that stout. There is price pressure on top as well as below.

    I'll add that small brewers are not always good business people, and many do not put all that much effort into analyzing their production. More like they try to make good beer that sells and if they are making a profit they are happy. I see this quite a bit actually.

    This is just one guys observations. Actual commercial brewers will have better data.

    Cheers
     
  16. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    For a local/small brewer, hard seltzers are king of profit margins. For actual beer, I’d guess low ABV ales that use basic hops and no dry hopping would be cheap and fast to make and still charge same per pint.
     
  17. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    I remember sitting with an ‘industry guy’ at a local brewery as he ran through their tap list while talking about material costs. My take away was that the lightly hopped ales—specifically blonde and mild ales—had the greatest margins.
     
  18. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Agree Combined with lower ABV as less malt quantity is required.
     
  19. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    When someone says "good margin" your next question should be "good for who, the consumer or brewer?"
     
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  20. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Hydrogen? :grin::grin::grin:

    (:zipper_mouth:)
     
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