Help with Local brewery wheat beer competition

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  1. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    So a local brewery here in Rochester, NY is brewing a wheat beer on 4/6 and has offered 5 gallons of wort to 20 members of my homebrew club for free. Members must bring their own vessel to transport the wort.

    In June there is going to be a mini comp judged by the brewers and club members and prizes will be awarded for the best wheat beers.

    Other than the beer being around 5%, no info has (or maybe will?) be given regarding grain bill, og, ibu, mash temp, etc. brewers are free to add whatever yeast strain, hops, fruits/spices to the beer to make it unique. I’m hoping to come up with something unique and tasty.

    Do any of you have any ideas for post fermentation additions to make for an interesting wheat beer that you basically have no control over the main recipe for??
    Hoppy wheat? Use a saison strain? Add fruit purée to keg and do something like a mango wheat? Use a wheat beer yeast strain and go more traditional? Thanks!
     
  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would pitch 300/3068 and exactly follow Gordon Strong's fermentation temp schedule (El Hefe, search for it) and make the world's greatest Hefeweizen. Just dare 'em not to give you first prize.
     
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  3. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Here is info the brewer regarding the draft recipe, nothing crazy:
    Hi there! The recipe we’ll be brewing is still in draft form right now but it’s basically equal parts wheat malt, 2-row and pilsen with about 25 ibus from a combo of Warrior and local Belma hops. Target ABV is around 6%. Wort collection will happen in line to the FV so you’ll be receiving cooled, oxygenated wort before we pitch our yeast. Hope that helps, cheers!
     
  4. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I was going to recommend a fruited kettle sour, but you mention it already being at 25 ibu so that won't work. You could make your own sour wort and blend with theirs. Then add fruit/ spice of your choice and maybe some lactose.
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    I like this.

    Me personally, I would go with a classic Bavarian hefe strain and pay close attention to fermentation temps. This beer should be about two things and only two things.
    Wheat malt and yeast. You have one, they are leaving it up to you to produce the star of the show.

    Cheers

    Edit; Also, be sure to have a super sanitary and closed vessel to transport the wort, as well as a yeast ready to go. Or bring the yeast with you and charge the wort as soon as you leave the brewery.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yikes, I'd seriously consider taking my yeast along and pitching it as soon as I got my wort. Otherwise, the O2 isn't going to be doing anything good for this wort.

    I just noticed this. Yep.
     
  7. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Philly sour would work, but I didn’t love the end result the one time I used it.
     
  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Edit Edit;

    The thought of walking into a commercial brewhouse with 2 pints of healthy yeast... that won't go over so well! Just be sure to leave it in the passenger seat and add after the wort is brought back to your car.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I dunno. I've walked into breweries with more yeast than that.

    That said, I do know brewers who don't want a whiff of brett or bugs anywhere near their clean brewhouse. I once saw a brewer who had been working at a brewery's "bug barn" try to walk into the clean brewery/taproom still wearing his barn boots. Hilarity ensued.
     
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  10. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    More specifics regarding the actual recipe:

    Here is the malt and hop bill:
    MFB Wheat Malt- 275 Lbs
    Briess Pilsen- 196.4 lbs
    Malteurop 2- row 194.7 lbs
    Rice Hulls 50 lbs

    Warrior 16.2% Alpha - 60 min IBU contribution-10
    Belma 10.3% Alpha- 30 min IBU contribution-10
    Belma 10.3% Alpha- Whirpool- IBU contribution-5

    I believe ABV is around 4.5-5%
     
  11. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    This is a fine malt bill, no doubt. Of course we here are looking at 5 and 10 gallon brews, so unless it is calculated as % of total malt, these weights are almost meaningless for my mind.

    Regarding the ABV, that is going to be yeast dependent to a large degree. Specifically, the attenuation of the yeast. Fermentation temperature is going to influence attenuation, along with the specific strain used.

    For your club activity, knowing the different variables will help you all learn a bit about brewing, no doubt. It is a pretty cool exercise.
    Good luck. Take care of this brewery, they are doing you a solid.
    Cheers
     
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  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Ferment with a fruity English strain like 1469 West Yorkshire, mid 60s. Secondary on apricot puree. Dry hop with 1-2oz Amarillo and 3-5 Habanero peppers. Thank me by name at the competition when you win.
     
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  13. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    So just wanted to update on this. 27 different iterations of this wheat beer were brewed by my club. I did a mango wheat beer with wyeast 3056 bavarian wheat blend and amoretti mango purée. Turned out very nice. Super refreshing and the mango flavor was fantastic. The yeast also added some nice complexity. Next time I’d probably use less purée. That said, my club members must have enjoyed it because it won first place for people’s choice tonight at the competition.

    very cool event and apparently several other local breweries have reached out to our club wanting to do something similar. Thanks for all of your input!
     
  14. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Congrats on that!

    If you don't mind, how much did you use and how much would you use next time?
     
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  15. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    Great job! Was more information revealed about the wort?
     
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  16. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Thanks! I used 8.5oz in about 4 gallons. For this particular beer I’d use probably 6oz of mango purée next time. Excited to try the mango in a pale ale or ipa or kettle sour
     
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  17. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    see above. They gave us the malt bill and hop schedule. In the end the brewery made a strawberry agave wheat out of it that’s been on tap a few weeks
     
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